North Korea, South Korea and nuclear weapons

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  1. pjohns

    pjohns Well-Known Member

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    I learned, just yesterday, that North Korea no longer will renounce the first use of nuclear weapons against South Korea.

    If North Korea strikes South Korea in this manner, it will surely bring in the latter's ally, the US.

    And that, in turn, would certainly bring in North Korea's benefactor state, China.

    In other words, the US and China could then be engaged off in a nuclear face-off.

    And it is clear that neither (the madman) Kim Jong-un nor Donald Trump has any intention of backing off.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right...

    ... The Donald gonna thwack Fatboy...

    ... upside the head."
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - one o' these days dat Fatboy gonna blow up California...
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    North Korea Could Have Missile to Strike US in 'Next Few Years'
    11 Mar 2017 | A former CIA official made an alarming statement about North Korea's ability to strike the U.S. with a ballistic missile.
    See also:

    North Korea tried to sell nuclear weapons material to make miniaturized warhead: U.N. inspectors
    Saturday, March 11, 2017 - The regime of North Korean strongman Kim Jong-un tried to sell a specialized material used in the miniaturization process for nuclear warheads, according to U.N. weapons investigators, who are attempting to document the regime’s nuclear weapons program and activities.
     
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    Will another nuclear test cause the Kim regime to implode?...
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    Defector: North Korea's next nuclear test could lead to collapse
    March 14, 2017 -- The senior North Korea diplomat who defected to the South from Pyongyang's Embassy in London said Kim Jong Un's nuclear ambitions could bring about state collapse.
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    Report: North Korea developing anti-ship ballistic missiles
    March 13, 2017 -- North Korea may be developing anti-ship ballistic missiles, multiple Seoul government officials say.
     
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    The North Korean devil incarnate is treating the Chinese leader not only as a paper tiger but an idiot.
     
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    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Should we just nuke china now?
     
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    Missy, why don't you tweet to Trump and see what he will tweet back?
     
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    Kim Jong Un's nuclear ambitions could bring about state collapse?

    I don't think so, because the will power of the North Korean devil incarnate to get what he wants seems to be stronger than his counterparts in the US, Japan, Russia and particularly China.
     
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    How to remove the Korean threat?

    Americans behave like monsters, worse than fascists. -

    Koreans are absolutely unhappy people, and Americans also want to burn them, perhaps, in nuclear fire.

    Although, perhaps, they will only save the Koreans from suffering.

    The problem is to kill families - at the same time.


    But does it need a war?

    Americans are the same people as Koreans, and just give in to fooling and using, although they live in a free country. -

    - Now there are funds that are much cheaper and much more effective than weapons that they are trying to sell.

    And this is - the usual counterpropaganda. -

    The USSR was won not by an arms race, but by the "Voice of America" radio station

    Since the time of the victory over the USSR, America's capabilities have moved far ahead.


    Micro-radio headphones:

    With modern mass production - 1 million Micro-radio headphones, charged from a solar cell, can cost less than $ 300,000.

    Deliver the same headphones can be simply scattered - according to the calculated wind.

    North Korea is 2 orders of magnitude smaller than the USSR. - Microwave antennas from aerostats can "shoot through" the DPRK in direct line of sight - to Pyongyang. If they are needed at all.

    The problem of Korea is internal. And it should be solved - from within. And not missiles.


    How to socialize Koreans?

    A more complex problem than the removal of the threat - how to socialize millions of Koreans after reunification?

    After all, they will have to learn to live anew in a free society.

    Again, technology will help. -

    The same industrial militarists can make money by creating an information infrastructure in North Korea.

    It's easy, since that of South Korea is the most perfect in the world.


    3rd power:

    People, ordinary Americans, can solve the problem better than an uninterested government.

    $ 300 000 can and better be collected without government. Enough of those who prefer the word to violence. - Americans are able to organize themselves too.

    The dignity of Americans is that there are a lot of volunteers among them, - 1 on each the Korean.

    P2P-work with Koreans will be more benefit for Americans even than for Koreans themselves.

    It is more useful than tourist perversions.

    In Instagram "godmother" children should be no less than kittens.

    Love is stronger than evil.


    Apparent extreme cruelty and inhumanity of Americans - from complete misunderstanding.

    I understand the Koreans perfectly, because I myself was a "Korean".


    I am "Soveticus":

    I'm rare - the complete success of the Soviet training.

    By the end of my studies at university, I was an ideal subordinate. -

    In me completely suppressed any "self". -

    I was an absolute performer.

    Was absolutely incapable of resisting.

    Was absolutely compliant, was extremely obliging.

    I was unable to do anything at will;

    - Did only what is "supposed" to do.

    Naturally, not only did not try "to drink", smoke, or approach girls, but in general did not even think about doing something unauthorized.

    At the same time I even visited discotheques and was engaged in photography, but - never by internal motivation, but - only on command.

    The most difficult thing was to pretend happiness. - The elders were unhappy if they saw sadness and despair on my face.

    In the summer, on vacation, I was not given myself. - In the "pioneer" camp all day was busy with "activities", we walked only in formation with chants expressions.

    Childhood and youth were a continuous frustration - from birth.

    I was horrified by the length of life - from how many years I must endure.


    The school taught only propaganda and natural sciences - to make graduates make weapons.

    Immediately after graduation, I was engaged only in rockets and nuclear physics too.

    In stores, too, there was not sold any sausage, nothing, except for a minimal set.

    And I did not feel any need. - Not until the sausage was - in a state of chronic depression - there was complete apathy, and stupor.
     
  10. pjohns

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    Actually, the so-called "Cold War" was won by Ronald Reagan, who stood up to the Soviet Union, rather than attempting to appease it, as his predecessor, Jimmy Carter, had done.

    The US does not wish to send missiles toward North Korea.

    Please direct your remarks toward Kim Jong-un, who recently threatened to strike Guam with missiles.

    To assume that there will be a "reunification"--something that China strongly opposes--is really to beg the question.
     
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    If Fatboy Kim wants to start a war to "reunify" Korea under the Kim Dynasty, there is nothing China can do to stop him from such a "reunification". However, nothing in this world can remain the same forever. One day Korea will surely reunite, and no country can stop it.

    In my opinion, the best model for reunification for the Korean Peninsula is for it to become the "Switzerland of Asia", free of all nuclear weapons in a truly democratic country (not the fake democracy of Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) where the people have virtually become the slaves and prisoners of one man.)

    However, the Korean communists led by the Kim regime will definitely oppose such a model of reunification. Their main goal is to finish the unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to "liberate" the South with nuclear blackmail and rule the whole Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty.
     
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    I think that Dear Leader wants to get the US out of the Pacific, thereby breaking our relationship with South Korea.

    And if South Korea (and even Japan--which is not terribly far away) are no longer under the American umbrella, it will be much easier for The Madman of the North to dominate the region.
     
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    The devil incarnate does not only want to dominate the region. Once Uncle Sam is away, he will try to finish the unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to subdue the South with nuclear blackmail and rule the Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty. Without the protection of US nuclear umbrella, the majority of the population in South Korea will prefer surrendering to the North rather than watching their country turn into a "sea of fire".
     
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    Are you always that paranoid? N and S Korea are one country and one people, whether you like it or not..it should have never been split by the Western powers and Japan in the forties...but the colonialists did just that and divided the little country...in 1950 the country attempted reunification, but again the US had to stick its nose in where it did not belong, and drag the UN, comprised of many other countries into the conflict...leave them alone and let them sort out their own problems...
     
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    You are willing to let yourself, your family, your grandchildren, your relatives and all your future generations to be slaves and prisoners of the devil incarnate. However, please don't drag the whole Korean race to share your tragic destiny.

    In this thread, I have proposed that Korea should be reunified to become the "Switzerland of Asia", but I have also pointed out that your master Fatboy Kim will definitely reject such a model of Korean reunification.

    I have pointed out in another thread that the Yankees should give some hydrogen bombs to the South Koreans before withdrawing from Asia to watch both species of Koreans killing each other on the Korean Peninsula.

    这 样 的 方 法 毒 不 毒 ? (Zhe yang de fang fa du bu du, meaning "Isn't this method vicious?)
     
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    That is the USA way of doing things...arm SKorea to the teeth, and then run away...typical they did it in Korea in 1950, Viet Nam, Iraq..get someone else (coalition) to fight their battles for them..typical...The "devil incarnate" you speak of is the USA....they kill 3000 of their own citizens on 9/11, then wage continuous war on Iraq, Afghanistan and others under the guise of fighting terrorism, when they are the real terrorists....meanwhile you are living in the USA under a police state, and giving up all your freedoms and rights to "fight terrorism" lol....how stupid can you get?
     
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    Regardless of how, when, or why the Koreas were "split," the truly operative question is this: Should reunification mean the North's devouring the South, or vice-versa?

    I simply cannot imagine either South Korea's meekly agreeing to being overtaken by the North; or Kim Jong-un's agreeing to rescind his power, and let the South take over.
     
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    It's called negotiations between the North and the South, it will take time, but it is for the good of the Korean people....USA and other imperialist powers, butt out from the the process...you all caused the divide so now you cannot be part of the reunification process.
     
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    And what do you believe to be--theoretically--the possible outcome of "negotiations"?

    Would anything be possible--even just theoretically--other than the complete dissolution of one Korea, and its absorption into the other?

    (I suppose I will just let the "imperialist powers" part slide, as you obviously hold to a leftist viewpoint...)
     
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    It's called common sense, which you fail to display...so head for ground zero.
     
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    Yup.

    I actually agree with Congressman Ron Desantis (R FL), who said the following while speaking on the September 16th edition of Justice with Judge Jeanine:
    Look, I think the President sees the threat. No other president recently has even wanted to even deal with this problem, and the President Trump is taking it on and, uh, but I think that this is a test of the U.N. I have very low expectations for the U.N., don't get me wrong. But if you can't deal with this issue, when the whole world pretty much agrees this is a problem? Then you're totally useless.

    So is the U.N. totally useless? If it can't address a problem for which there is absolutely no disagreement, what is the reason for maintaining the organization? I would think that North Korea is exactly the type of problem the U.N.was instituted to address...
     
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    Yes, it's called common sense to hand over all your belongings even your life to a bandit at gunpoint.
     
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    Isn't that what you what? My North Korean comrade, you seem to have forgotten your post in the following thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ce-towards-n-koreas-nuclear-programme.509491/

    "USA go home and mind your own business at home...end of all the war talk and propaganda in Asia and elsewhere."


    ....they kill 3000 of their own citizens on 9/11? Please name any website that proves your shocking allegation.

    meanwhile you are living in the USA under a police state? If so, I wonder why you don't exercise your freedom to post your rubbish on the websites in North Korea and China. Instead, you have found your freedom to post your messages in a political forum of your so-called "police state".

    Isn't your master a devil incarnate who killed his uncle, his aunt together with their children, grandchildren and relatives to pre-empt them from taking any possible revenge in the future (as in the Chinese proverb "Cutting grass must be followed by uprooting")? Your master's latest brutal killing on record was the assassination of his half brother Kim Jong-nam at Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia on 13 February 2017.

    Beware! The day will come when your master loses trust in you, he will turn your "corner gas" not only on you but all your family members and relatives as well. :skull:
     
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    The Kim regime is "totally devoid of conscience and respect for the law" (as in the Chinese idiom "无 法 无 天" pronounced "wu fa wu tian".) By right, it should be stripped of its UN membership. However, nothing can be done to kick it out of the international organisation because of Chinese and Russian veto power.

    Similarly Myanmar is accused by some countries, human rights groups, UN officials and even UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres of ethnic cleansing. Yet nothing can be done to censure Myamar for its violence against the Rohingyas because any UN resolution on the crisis would be blocked by China and Russia.

    Thus we can see how the UN is rendered effectiveless in crises. The unconditional veto possessed by the five permanent members has been seen by critics as the most undemocratic character of the UN. Critics also claim that veto power is the main cause for international inaction on war crimes and crimes against humanity. However, the United States refused to join the United Nations unless it was given a veto.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/14/asia/rohingya-amnesty-report/index.html

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/rohingya-r...eneral-warns-ethnic-cleansing-myanmar-1638259

    http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/myanmar-seeks-help-china-russia-avert-un-censure-over-rohingya

    https://wikivisually.com/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power

    https://www.un.org/press/en/2015/ga11694.doc.htm
     
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    Just google it, if you know how...there is all kinds of evidence 9/11 was an "inside job" planned, perpetrated and covered up by the USA government...their whole 9/11 Arab myth is just that a myth a fairy tale....
     

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