Not doing what you are told.

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  1. see you next tuesday

    see you next tuesday Active Member

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    Is not doing what the police tell you something that should be punished by death?

    Perhaps, rather than being a bad thing, the police should start shooting more people?

    Maybe it would make a more peaceful society in the long run? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37413558
     
  2. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    It worked in Japan.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Almost every police involved shooting is preceded by non-compliance. Not doing what the police tell you to do is a seriously stupid thing to do, given that fact. You may have done nothing wrong, you may have every right to be where you are, and doing what you are doing. But failure to comply with police is still a really stupid thing to do, unless you want to be some sort of martyr.

    The reality is, the place to fight the police is in front of a judge, because if you try to do it on the street, you WILL lose.
     
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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    And yet so many many times in my life I have won.
    In fact I've never lost.

    Buggered if I'm going to be afraid of some dumb arsed pig (*)(*)(*)(*). Go on mate, bring your whole army.
    You bring yours, I'll bring mine.
    And then you and yours will all go home again and me and mine will dance and make merry until the sun comes up.
    And this has happened on so many many occasions in my life that I am confident when I say to you, I do not fear the police.
    I am their equal and more.

    A badge and gun? Not enough.

    The powers that be, want you to be scared of the Police, compliant in all things, but I am here to tell you, you don't have to be.
    If your cause is just you will win and win easily. Stand your ground. Be bullied by no one. If the police won't behave, assert your authority over them. Make them.

    You do not serve them, they serve you. You can live and feed yourself with out them. They cannot live and feed themselves without you.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some seriously stupid bul(*)(*)(*)(*) is in the post above, starting with the premise the police serve YOU. No, they do not serve YOU. Police serve the community that hires and employs them. Got that?

    And forgive me if I do not believe you that you have confronted police many times, and won. Police has very good record of dealing with thugs. That is what they are hired by the community they live in to do.

    You are not afraid of the badge and a gun? Neither am I, I have no reason to. Do you?
     
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    supaskip Well-Known Member

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    If someone doesn't comply, they could reach for a concealed weapon. Hands in the air, but walking to the car? What was he trying to get from the car. OK, no gun found but that was not known until after the shooting.

    It's a pretty simple rule. Comply, and don't risk being shot. Is it really worth not complying?
     
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    As the article states no one knows how many are killed by the police.Until the various police departments are made to provide details of police shootings there can be no meaningful discussion.
    I find it ridiculous that no reliable data is available.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    You are a Genius!
    Blowing through a red light or a STOP sign is "not doing what the police tell you" therefore that should be punishable by summary execution right on the spot.

    The side benefits of this type of immediate punishment by execution will also reduce traffic obviously by reducing the population of drivers. Wait there another major benefit and this one is major major colossal - with fewer drivers we reduce carbon pollution and we STOP global warming. So a STOP sign will STOP global warming!
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    There is one and only way to get all police departments to come clean and provide the data you are are for.

    We need to get tough. Really tough. We need to form DLM ! Drivers Lives Matter! All of us drivers have a right do have the police disclose 100% of all the details of 100% of all the police stools and shootings.

    There is no other way go get this done.
     
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    juanvaldez Banned

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    I'm looking forward to reading about you. Nothing more than natural selection. The victims are the slow and stupid.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This decision is entirely up to the person who decides to not comply with police instructions.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not. That’s a stupid question with a stupid inference behind it. It should be obvious though that not following officers instructions, especially if they’ve already drawn their weapons, makes it more likely that they’ll perceive you as an imminent threat to themselves or others and it’s that perception of threat that leads to them shooting.

    Frankly that principle applies to anyone. If you’re walking down a street and someone comes out of a house with a gun and tells you to get off their property, you’d probably move to where they want you to. Even if you think they’re in the wrong, not submitting increases your risk of being shot. Unless they’re telling you to do something imminently dangerous or costly, you do what they tell you to and seek recompense later once you’re out of immediate danger. It might even turn out that you had inadvertently wandered on to their property and they were perfectly within their rights.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cops are in fear for their lives with every incident and when they tell you to do something you better do it or their fear may be your demise
     
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    Id like to see some statistics on non compliance with the police. I suspect blacks are probably more than 3 times as likely to be non compliant in encounters with police.
     
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    Folks with normal intelligence a careful around a guy who has a gun pointed at them. I don't like cops but I'm smart enough not to get shot.
     
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    If I truly believed that the police were actively hunting and murdering people who looked like me, which is the exact narrative that the left and their media are driving, then I'd be much less likely to comply, and much more likely to try to get away. I do not blame black folks for this, I blame the left for driving the false narrative for nothing but political gain. People, regardless of their race, would be best advised to COMPLY with police orders, even if they are innocent, and within their rights to be where they are and to be doing what they are doing. This message is not being driven with nearly the same tenacity as the 'cops are out to kill black people' message.
     
  17. see you next tuesday

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    If i lived in a country where the police were armed then i wouldn't argue with them - ever!
     
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    For Topical Use Only Well-Known Member

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    US police have moved from 'protect and serve' to law enforcement.

    In that little shift the wealthy are protected and served and the rest are subject to enforcement.

    Also in the little shift the citizenry have accepted their lot - obedience, conformity, and compliance.

    Spiritual death versus physical death.
     
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    Sorry even this isnt the case and even then non compliance isnt a warrant to kill you in other countries.

    This situation is once more something unique in the US.


    Absolutly true but the problem is that this is the way it is and that needs to change.
     
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    Cops should be armed. Cops are necessarily armed in a city with strong gun laws, the UK has a totalitarian government so it's not an issue.
     
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    Obama will be on TV about this one today.
    Hillary probably throw her 2 cents in as well.
    Maybe even Trump.
     
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    Firstly...by disobeying or ignoring police you immediately present yourself as a problem and these people are "Charged by society" to confront problems.
    Secondly....if you pose a threat to armed people who can legally use violence to protect themselves expect an ass kicking.
    Third...where weapons are involved (or perceived), it is important to realize these people want to go home alive just like the rest of us.

    Basically, it is rather stupid to be an ass to the police....
    [video=youtube;uj0mtxXEGE8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8[/video]
     
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    I fully agree with this. The police do need to shoot more people - and belligerents should be shot because it is often the case that the seconds that the police gives a belligerents between their order and the citizen not obeying that means the difference between life or death for a police officer. It is a paper thin blue line between us and the criminals and terrorists at this stage and it has never been more dangerous to serve as a police officer than it is right now. In a situation where a police officer has pulled over a vehicle and asked the driver to put their hands on the steering wheel or where the police officer can see them - if the citizen disobeys these orders he could very well be going for a weapon and could use this weapon to murder the police officer. This kind of thing happens all the time. It is the same in a Micheal Brown where a citizen on the street disobeys police orders - or an Eric Garner situation where the belligerent refuses to put their hands behind their back after being ordered to do so by the police. Are we going to shoot some criminals that were disobeying the orders of a police officer because they were trying to hide their illegal drugs or some other reason? Yes, of course we are - but we will not accidentally shoot any law abiding citizens because all law abiding citizens obey the orders of the police. If a criminal or any citizen decides to disobey the orders of a police officer then they only have themselves to blame when a police officer shoots them. Citizens need to obey the law and that includes obeying the orders of the police.

    Ideally we would move to non-lethal force to take down the terrorists and criminals but at this stage the non-lethal options are not good enough - so we need to stick with lethal force for now. I have thought about this a bit and in my opinion what we really need are higher caliber police officers - and in saying this I mean no disrespect at all to the brave men and women that serve and protect us every day - but the fact is that we do need more university educated men and women to be attracted to policing to raise the bar and to ensure that the important profession of police work is given the respect that it needs and deserves. With a new class of better educated, better trained, and better paid police officers working on the streets to fight crime and protect us from criminals there is no reason why we cannot trust our police to be judge, jury and executioner - and in these times of violent crime and rampant terror this is exactly what we need.

    [video=youtube;itmNiTwHOsM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM[/video]
     
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    Why do we need to know about Police bowel movements ?

    Do Police BMM ??? :roflol:

    Police Bowel Movements Matter ! joke :roflol:
     
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    As a retired LEO, I have it much better, I ID myself to the Officers, present my credentials, they know I am Armed, and even if I was a bonehead and ran a red light, they verify my ID and hand it back and wish me a nice day.

    Much better-er.
     

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