it seems to be a natural outcome...with a hard Brexit manufacturers without a free trade agreement are going downsize(or close) their UK operations and move the bulk of their business to EU cities in order to avoid tariffs...it's simple economics, where is the largest market UK or EU?...Airbus has already indicated strongly that it may move it's factories, as has Bombardier, between the two aircraft builders that's 14,000 skilled jobs, auto manufacturers will likely follow,...the financial centers will also be moving from London to the EU...with a hard brexit the UK is in for a lot of butt hurt...
It is a very accurate commentary. You could attempt to refute it, but I'd laugh at you the whole time. I do not heed warnings from the likes of you.
Several near bankrupt members, one scheduled to leave the Union. Not sure what it takes to be evidence for you, but most people would see it as a failure.
More than "several nea bankrupt members". Any economic forecast is based upon foreseen GDP. The UK's is going to diminish but it will be gradual if they continue with Brexit. And it seems that many want Brexit, so they will have to learn the hard way ...
The Brits do not understand how "messy" it is going to be, especially with Europe slipping sideways in terms of economic growth. GB exports to the EU will suffer not only lesser-Demand but also their higher costs. Meaning they will be even less competitive. Brexit is just plain stoopid, and it will cost the UK five more years to understand how brainless the vote was - and then another five to correct the error ... PS: In fact, the only goodness from Brexit will be to show others in the EU that they need not even think it workable without serious economic harm.
Crapolla! The Common Market of the EU has met all the promises with which it was conceived and first employed. (Just where the hell did all that Scottish oil get sold? With the higher cost, watch Putin smile as Russian oil takes its place in Europe!) People like you (should I say "idiots"?) think that GB doesn't need the EU-market to sustain economic growth and promote jobs. The biggest "foreign market" is right across the Channel from you and you want to bugger it! How collectively stoopid can a country get? Brexit will show you the way! That is only the First Lesson that reality is going to shove down your colllective throats ...
Yeah that’s the problem with democracy. I guess it’s people like you (should I say idiots?) that don’t understand there’s an alternative .
And some idiots neither understand nor accept that in a True Democracy people ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE. Except when they are too lazy to employ that "choice". Like in the US that has one of the laziest voting histories* of any "so-called Democracy**" *Voter turnout by country * **So called because any country that has allowed the popular-vote to be warped/manipulated for two centuries like the US does with Gerrymandering and the Electoral College (both started in 1812!) cannot call itself a True Democracy. Wakey, wakey ... !
I wish I shared your optimism. I think it'll be at least a decade until the consequences start to be felt - until that time there'll be (bad) trade deals to be done and jam around the corner. Politicians and the right wing press will spend that time demonizing the EU - everything bad that happens will be the fault of those horrible Europeans. The same people who believed the bendy (or straight) banana stories - and who consequentially voted leave - will believe the anti-EU propaganda. There will be no attempt to correct the error because we'll have burnt our bridges with the EU well before then. Instead IMO we'll be a low-tax, low-regulation, low-wage satellite of the US
I suspect it will be much sooner because it is already happening: 2017 will show an uptick of 1.4%, which is goodness but nothing to crow about unless repeated into a long-term trend - and I dare anyone to tell me how that might happen if the UK is facing export tariff-barriers in the EU (of which it is no longer a member) ...
I frankly don't give much of a damn about politicians. In fact, in both the US& EU a law should be passed whereby they get two consecutive terms but not a third. Far too many are encrusted into what they think is a "cushy job" ...
You see the issue for me really is how one controls ones own destiny. I mean I understand all your views they are not original and have been chewed over many times by many people - this issue is how to deal with dynamic situations and how committees work. The EU is ruled by a non-involved secretariat; by that I mean it is above national interest and acts like an oversight committee juggling the vying interests of its members on an apparently neutral basis within the confines of the over-aching treaties that bind them and control them. Germany and France seem to be challenging that construct in terms of their fear over Chinese industrial practices, proprietary knowledge and trade levels - Germany traditionally asked Government to provide the framework for international trade and co-operation but let corporations free to handle the practicalities of it. Indeed the EU frameworks were pretty much based on the German model. Now though, they are being challenged and both Germany and France want active participation from the EU and their Governments to challenge China, look at the backlash that Altmaier is having to deal with. And again how does Germany for example deal with the China / US trade debacle in its own frame of reference for example with 5G and Huawei? The dynamics of committees and asymetric political unions are fraught with danger thus, perhaps, is the reason for taking the pragmatic approach and in my way of thinking... having been asked the question by the politicians.... I think it is far more pragmatic for the UK to leave an asymetric political secretariat and try to navigate our own path through the very dangerous world we are going into. edit... An interesting article... https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/arti...entwickeln-gemeinsame-Industriestrategie.html
Why, Scotsman? I've asked many people who voted leave their reasons for doing it and none of them can give me a coherent answer. Some of them quite blatantly admit it was because of immigration. Some of them say because they want to make Britain great again, but when asked to clarify their meaning, they don't know. A good many parrot what they read in The Sun. All of them, quite frankly, talk utter bollocks. Perhaps you will be different. Why is it pragmatic for the UK to leave the EU? What path do you see the UK navigating through this very dangerous world? In what way is it dangerous?
....the ending of the dominant precepts of globalisation, the Russian klepotcracy, the introversion and polarisation of the US, China and the failure of a coherent narrative to deal with the vying economic and political power shifts that will spring up in light of these issues from the EU....
Neo Liberalism was an economic system brought in by Regan in the US and Thatcher here and continued and cemented by Blair. It allows for the growth of Monopolies. It removes regulations so gives those with money a free hand to do whatever they want without having to take responsibility for their actions. The destruction of the Unions was top of Thatcher's agenda and she said she had never believed it would be so easy. This left workers without the ability to work together for needed changes. Bit by bit we lost rights which the people who fought in the two world wars gave everything to fight for. Prior to Thatcherism/neo liberalism, governments used to give us a focus. They would have some ideal which they were working for. Neo Liberalism is interested in one thing and one thing only. Will it make money for the guy with the money. If it will make money fine. Neo Liberalism demanded that Government jobs and tasks be made private. This has resulted in them being considerably less good and more expensive. Neo Liberalism leads to an increasingly unequal society. Neo Liberalism is not Capitalism. In Capitalism there is always the possibility of failing. While that may be true with small firms it is no longer the case with large ones. Instead of leaving them to take the consequenses of the 2008 crash, most countries bailed them out and made their people, usually the very poorest most of all, pay for it. Most of the new trans national deals are the same. The have written into them a clause whereby the 'capitalist' cannot fail. This is no longer Capitalism. It is Corporate Power ruling over us. Given that we are going to lose a lot more jobs due to technological change (if we are around to see it of course) this is going to get worse and worse. Neo Liberalism destroys democracy as it requires our Governments to serve Corporate Power not the people. It has also resulted in the sell off of a lot of Government which when reading about Brexit people believed was part of the problem. The Government just did not have access to what it wanted. Neo Liberalism is the opposite of what we worked for after WW2. We recognised the danger of Monopolies gaining power which would interfere with Democracy and in WW2 it was seen that Corporate Power worked well with fascism. Hence during my childhood I can remember all the adults freaking out if they thought something was going to create a monopoly. Because of that we brought in a Mixed economy with regulations to stop anyone gaining to much power. All this was thrown away with Thatcherism and we were returned to and am now in the same kind of situation as we were in prior to WW2 - which led to WW2 Neo liberalism does not work because it causes greater and greater inequalities and gives a very few people almost all the world's money I think last year it was just 8 people or families which had as much wealth as the bottom half of the world. Clearly these people have a massive amount of power. Many people believe and I definitely believe it is credible that this is taking us back to a new type of feudalism. Neo Liberalism does not work for democracy. It cannot give a decent standard of living to all who are willing to do a decent days work. It is for the few to rule over the many. In particular one of its best revenue systems is armaments. Neo Liberalism loves war. Ok it is not easy to introduce. There are lots of good videos if you are interested.
okay....lets try a different approach.... so a lot of government has been sold off.....okay not sure what that means but I think you mean that government has become corrupt..is that right?.....then we go on to..."The Government just did not have access to what it wanted".....can you explain what it was that the government may have wanted?
Everything you've claimed it will. This which I quoted from your post for starters ...the ending of the dominant precepts of globalisation, the Russian klepotcracy, the introversion and polarisation of the US, China and the failure of a coherent narrative to deal with the vying economic and political power shifts that will spring up in light of these issues from the EU.... Also, please tell us In what way will leaving the EU benefit the people of the UK? In plain English. How will the UK be better?
One does not "control" one's destiny. One follows it. That is, we make decisions and accept consequences. That's life in the whirlpool of human existence ever since cavemen banded together for self-protection. Either you stay in Scotland and share that country's destiny or you go off to wildest Africa and live with the lions. (Many, in fact, have done just that. They want ultimate freedom and Africa, even today, offers such The EU is not "ruled". The European Commission simply submits programs to major powers who either accept them or don't. The power given to the constitutional assembly in Strasbourg is limited, but it is a good start in representative democracy. And the EU had to start that particular adventure somewhere. Factually, the EU is becoming more like the US. The states will remain semi-independent "states" with large powers to do whatever they care to do. But the budgets allocated to the "states" (which in some cases are considerable) are decided by the EU Commission in Brussels to assure a commonality of fairness. And the sooner that unelected commission is done away with, the sooner the countries will learn how to squabble effectively amongst themselves and with the EU Parliament as regards the EU-budget and its usages. Scotland would do well to break away finally and definitively from "Britain's" political hegemony. As a distinct country, it needs to decide its own separate destiny and not that shoved down its throat by the British pound ... !
