Now we can see why health care should not be left to politicians in Washington

The pathetic obamacare is failing, and democrats and rino republicans have failed to do anything about it because they are pig headed fools.

This situation is why the government should not be involved in health care in the first place since it is not mentioned in the Constitution anyway.

 

i can see some involvement just keeping it from going crazy like genetic re-engineering humans and cloning humans etc.

 

NOTHING in either the House or Senate Bills was going to fix anything regarding healthcare.

In fact they were nothing but tax cuts for the rich that would have taken healthcare away from tens of millions of Americans. Of COURSE something that screwed up couldn't pass even a completely partisan GOP Congress.

 

Who would you propose to give tax relief to? People who pay no taxes? People who receive more free stuff than they pay into the system? What is your proposal? More tax burden inequality? Should people who pay no taxes have the same vote than people who pay for them? How does that work in your little mind?

 

I'm not proposing tax relief at all.

The GOP however would screw up EVERYTHING to give tax cuts to the rich

 

If you do not believe the government should be involved in healthcare I assume you are fine with veterans being stripped of their healthcare benefits then.

 

Your statement is nonsensical, since a VA hospital system isn't necessary for veterans to receive benefits.

 

Similarly, healthcare should not be left to fat capitalists to decide who and when gets the care they need.

 

Who pays for the benefits? The government. And VA hospitals often give veterans benefits. If you want to remove the government from healthcare we will have to stop helping veterans pay for healthcare and take down any government-run VA hospitals.

 

Screw up what? Supposedly, Bubba was an economic master, yet the economy boomed after his Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997.

 

Nope. It should be left to fat oligarchs who suck the life blood out of the American taxpayer and redistribute it to their Washington Beltway.

 

This was supposed to be a heath insurance reform, not a tax relief effort. I'll leave the code words and stereotyping to you.

 

A stupid play on words. It doesn't take a genius to realize that when people say the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare, they do not mean that the government shouldn't have the same obligations to the health of their employees as private employers.

 

The government has an obligation to pay for the costs of wounded veterans. Look how single payer, government run healthcare worked for them. Two sets of wait lists to promote politically attractive lies. Veterans have seen single payer first hand and many didn't survive it.

 

All the current shambles in the USA is showing is that the USA really has managed to do achieve two things. First, put in some unbelievably poor politicians. Second, that it is in the stages of fully ending democracy and becoming a plutocracy - it was officially no longer a democracy some time ago. It is installing a health system that will mean the average and poor subsidies the most wealthy.

Have a look at how the USA performs with health care - eleventh out of eleven.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ranked-second-best-in-developed-world/8716326

 

http://medicareblog.org/founding-fathers-mandated-government-run-health-care/

 

So, perhaps you can tell us the hazards faced for the betterment of the country by Americans walking to the mailbox to pick up their Food Stamp or other Welfare Benefits that would warrant a government takeover of their healthcare. The Veterans Administration already takes care of those who faced hazards for us?

Funny thing is that the hazards faced by Seamen in the early days of the union were similar to those faced our military today: Islamic Terrorism. See Barbary Wars. So, we already carve out the government run healthcare that the founders rationalized over 200 years ago. We're good. QED.

 

No, that is the definition of the word "involved" which basically means any form of running or participation in the healthcare system. But your next definition is troublesome as well:
"government shouldn't have the same obligations to the health of their employees as private employers."

This sounds like government workers shouldn't have employer healthcare benefits. Many government employees really work for private companies that are funded by the government to do work. Should the government fund those companies' healthcare benefits for those employees? This says nothing about people on Medicare or Medicaid who aren't government employees.

In addition veterans are basically former government employees, and many companies fund the healthcare benefits of their retirees so your statement would still seem to indicate that the government shouldn't fund the benefits of current and former soldiers because they shouldn't have the same obligations to their health as private employees.

 

Some single-payer systems are better than others and just because we handle VA hospital particularly poorly doesn't mean all single-payer is bad. One thing we can do is close down these hospitals and pay these veterans to go to normal hospitals making the VA basically like a government insurance option where premiums are paid for.

 

American civilians don't face terrorist hazards today?

Have you told anyone about this secret of yours?

Because it would be breaking news on FauxNoise, et al.

 

You don't understand what contractual payments are do you? We can get rid of the va and still pay them for their service an amount for their healthcare which they contracted for when they originally signed up

 

But it is still taxpayers paying for free healthcare for millions of people. If you want to get the government out of healthcare we will have to end this. Taxpayers are also paying healthcare for soldiers currently serving and that will have to end too.

 

So you don't understand contractual payments. They aren't free. They provided good and valuable consideration, their service and the risk of life limb sanity and morality, in return for amongst other things that medical care for life. It's been paid for by them, it's a debt owed not an entitlement.

 

I certainly agree they earned it but if the government is to not get involved in healthcare in any way then healthcare can no longer be part of the payment since that is the government getting involved.

 

Go back up and read. You don't have to run the VA to satisfy the contractual obligation incurred. You can simply pay them a sum for healthcare in the private sector.