NRA member and pro-gun guy willing to compromise

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You heard it right -- I'm willing to compromise with those who seek further restriction on the right to keep and bear arms.

    Let's put three things I know you guys are dying for on the table
    1: Universal background checks
    2: "Assault weapon" ban
    3: A ban on "hi-cap" magazines.

    What are you willing to offer in return for gun owners to allow their right to be further restricted by each of these things?
    (Note: As you seek further restrictions on the exercise of a right, your return offer must carry similar weight)

    OK --I'm all ears!
     
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    Definition of SELL OUT

    intransitive verb

    2 : to betray one's cause or associates especially for personal gain
     
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    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's also possible that he realized he lives in a society which inherently means compromise and that the my-way-or-the-highway people are frequently obnoxious.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They'll only send the Gestapo to your house to seize your guns and haul you off to a re-education facility if you speak out publicly against them. Is it a deal?
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    No one ?
    I'll check back in the morning.
     
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    Alright, I'll bite. You can keep the "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines, but I would like to see criminal background checks. I want guns held to the same legal standards as cars; mandatory registration within 30 days of purchase and reporting of sale, mandatory liability insurance with the distinction that only the carrier need be insured, not individual weapons, a state issued license requiring a state issued test to carry on public property, and made illegal to carry in public with a BAC over.08%. Also making it illegal to allow an unlicensed person to carry your weapon on public property exempting for emergency uses.

    In exchange I offer unrestricted purchasing power on all weapons up to and including explosives launchers, under the stipulation that explosive ammunition can only be transported or stored by individuals with an explosives handling license. This is also not to include vehicle mounted weapons over .50 caliber, or explosive devices with an indirect detonation mechanism such as mines. Such weapons can only be used within the limits of private property.
     
  7. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    So, you want:
    Universal background checks
    Universal registration
    Mandatory liability insurance
    Mandatory carry permits w/ testing for open/concealed carry

    You offer:
    Repeal of current restrictions on machine guns and non-vehicle mounted ordnance, but explosive ammo requires an explosives permit

    Correct ?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So banning rifles that scare liberals is a good thing?
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can currently purchase, own, and operate any car on my own private property without any registration, insurance, license, or record of the purchase. Is this freedom included in your offer?
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When have Progressive Socialists ever compromised and negotiated in good faith? Never!!
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You just described the Progressive Left's attitude.
     
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    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    If that is the case, it is absolutely non-exclusive to the left. Perhaps because you're a rightie you don't see the same thing from the right as you do from the left because of perception bias, but to someone that doesn't care to form allegiances with political ideologies or political parties, you find it's the same on both sides.

    Pots and kettles my friend, pots and kettles.
     
  13. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    It's also possible that I want to see how many people who want more gun control laws and insist that gun owners must compromise are also willing to compromise to get those additional gun control laws.

    So far, there's -one- player, which, so far, makes a very clear point.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    There is no compromise to be made.

    There's nothing the government can give that they didn't take from someone else.
     
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    What how would you define an "assault rifle"?
    How many rounds would you consider "hi-cap"?

    IMO increased background checks only cause a further hindrance on those that can already pass them
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    That's up to those that want to impose such bans.
     
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    I would take universal background checks and make it similar to applying for a concealed handgun license. In return, I leave the other two alone.
     
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    A good experiment which shows the gun banners don't really want to compromise. Where are all the resident gun ban zealots that swamp the forum with "we need common sense gun control" every time there is a media hyped crime? They hate guns, they hate gun owners, they think whatever freedom they allow you to have is the "compromise", and will never expand gun rights.
     
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    So, in fact, you offer nothing in return for gun owners giving you universal background checks.
    How is that a compromise?
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Actualy, it has been proven that the so called "pro 2nd amendment" posters on this forum are not willing to compromise. Here is one poster who said the following [QUOTEThere is no compromise to be made. There's nothing the government can give that they didn't take from someone else. [/QUOTE]

    and yet, on the first page and second page, two "gun grabbers" were willing to compromise.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I am offering to drop two of the three demands. That is offering something based on the conditions you set.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    I am - but you have to give me something of equal value in return for what I give up.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    No, it isn't
    You take one item with the "promise" to take nothing else.
    You have not offered to give anything in return for that item; this leaves gun owners at a -1 deficit.

    Recall:
    (Note: As you seek further restrictions on the exercise of a right, your return offer must carry similar weight)
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    That is more than equal value. I am not wanting to ban assault rifles or high capacity magazines. Those two items are worth far more than a UBC.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    No. It isn't.
    If you took a jug of milk from a store and paid for it with the promise to not take eggs and bread, you'd be arrested.

    How's this:
    You want UBC.
    I want 50-state (as well as DC and external possessions) recognition of state-issued concealed carry permits; for states that do not require a permit to legally carry (VT, ME, etc) a state-issued ID from that state will suffice.

    Deal?
     
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    I don't think they are prepared to make any concessions. They'll just continue changing the demographics of the country and creating enough dependency that they'll get whatever they want in the process.
     

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