NRA says Sherrif Israel failed his community.

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tweeted the NRA

    “No Sheriff Israel you were the one that didn’t PROTECT these children and that is your job. You run the largest fully accredited sheriff's office in the United States, yet your office failed this community.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-didnt-protect-these-children/article/2649926

    The NRA didn’t kill those people, the shooter did. This sherrif did fail his community given how many times the shooter was reported.
     
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    Sheriff Israel didn't kill those children either.
     
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    That's why he isnt being charged with murder.

    He is glaringly guilty of supporting liberal progressive reactive law enforcement in his community which is albeit noble is incredibly hard to implement on the ground.

    Not only did he support it he did not have or train his officers correctly so anyone with half a brain could see from documentation already made available that this kids guns be found and removed via the VAPOR Act.

    Then lastly his dept was not trained or mentally prepared via repetition on how to if alone or with back up properly address an active shooter situation. They froze. That's training.

    Then the disaster of a Sheriff tries to use the NRA as a scapegoat on national TV?

    That is I bet what prompted the Coral Springs police to come forward.

    He is an unmitigated disaster. Hed be hard pressed to manage a lemonade stand
     
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    If it weren't for the NRA, the police would not have had an opportunity to fail, because the little psycho would not have had an arsenal to take to his old school to begin with.
     
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    There are zillions of people being reported every day. And the sheriff didn't kill those kids. Them guns did. And the NRA supports the idea that everybody is able to commit a massacre.


    The entire idea that guns don't kill is botched.
    We don't want North Korea to have nuclear bombs either.... because of obvious reasons.
     
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    Mindless drivel. I would ask for a link, but we both know how that would go........
     
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    Also this Sheriff is not really a Sheriff. He isn't interested in policing he is a politician. He had very very high aspirations.

    The Broward County Sheriffs office is literally the best funded and largest Sheriffs office in the country. Check out this budget from 2017. Folks we are not talking about Mayberry here. And he's no Andy Griffith. Some countries have less of a military budget than that.... Over 800 million dollars

    And they aren't ready for an active shooter? Screenshot_20180224-161955.jpg Screenshot_20180224-161955.jpg
     
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    Bull****.

    It is already against the law for violent people to purchase a gun. It is the job of the government to identify those people. They failed. DOZENS of times.

    The only time the NRA was ever involved in a mass shooting was when Stephen Willeford ran barefoot to hunt down and kill a mass shooter. Another mass shooter that was able to buy a gun because of governmental failure.
     
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    If the NRA were to dissappear tomorrow? The constitution would not. Nor would the SCOTUS that interprets it. So once again...

    Your opinion is 100% false.

    Does it ever get boring having an opinion with zero credibility?
     
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    How so? Please explain.
     
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    NRA refuses to allow their slaves in Congress to support stronger background checks.

    They have betrayed America's children.
     
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    Did we need stronger background checks to stop this guy or the Texas shooter?

    No?

    So they can't do the background checks they already have, so you think "expanding" them somehow makes them more competent huh?
     
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    The kid could have been stopped from buying a firearm with a simple misdemeanor charge of domestic violence. There was plenty of evidence that he abused his mother and threatened others.

    But you know what... he also owned illegal weapons, one which was used in the actual shooting. Care to guess where it came from?
     
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    Why is a 18yr old allowed to purchase a AR15, but not a handgun.
     
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    What would you like to add to this list?


    Federal Categories of Persons Prohibited from Receiving
    A delay response from the NICS Section indicates the subject of the background check has been matched with either a state or federal potentially prohibiting record containing a similar name and/or similar descriptive features (name, sex, race, date of birth, state of residence, social security number, height, weight, or place of birth). The federally prohibiting criteria are as follows:

    • A person who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or any state offense classified by the state as a misdemeanor and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of more than two years.
    • Persons who are fugitives of justice—for example, the subject of an active felony or misdemeanor warrant.
    • An unlawful user and/or an addict of any controlled substance; for example, a person convicted for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past year; or a person with multiple arrests for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past five years with the most recent arrest occurring within the past year; or a person found through a drug test to use a controlled substance unlawfully, provided the test was administered within the past year.
    • A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.
    • A person who, being an alien, is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.
    • A person who, being an alien except as provided in subsection (y) (2), has been admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa.
    • A person dishonorably discharged from the United States Armed Forces.
    • A person who has renounced his/her United States citizenship.
    • The subject of a protective order issued after a hearing in which the respondent had notice that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such partner. This does not include ex parte orders.
    • A person convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime which includes the use or attempted use of physical force or threatened use of a deadly weapon and the defendant was the spouse, former spouse, parent, guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited in the past with the victim as a spouse, parent, guardian or similar situation to a spouse, parent or guardian of the victim.
    • A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.
     
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    this needs to be updated to include:

    -folks with a long record of severe traffic violations, such as DWI, running Stop Signs, running Stop Lights.

    -folks with lots of unpaid civil fines.

    -folks who are being treated for severe mental illness, and cannot produce a note form their doctor attesting that they are safe to possess a firearm.
     
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    Ok, if you run a stop sign you lose a Constitutional right. Great idea.

    Unpaid civil fines? I have no idea how to even address that lunacy.

    Severe mental illness is already covered. Try reading the list you responded to.
     
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    no, Federal law doesn't ban folks with severe mental illness from possessing a gun.

    as far as a long record of running Stop Signs, Stop Lights, and DWIs, if you can't be trusted to be safe with a car why should we trust you with a gun?

    I say 3 DWIs, 3 serious traffic violations like running Stop Signs and Stop Lights, 5 unpaid parking tickets, and your gun rights should be suspended for 1 year so you can take some time to decide if you are going to respect our laws.
     
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    That is being addressed but I am not going to play patty cake with your opinion if yours want to jump all over. We are talking about Sheriff Israel. An Incompetent politician with probably Governor ambitions one day lying to America on National TV. He should have taken responsibility, but no. He didn't care about those kids in the crowd or the dead ones.

    To take ownership as a man would have instantly ended his career. He tried to bluff his way out.

    Got caught.

    OK?
     
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    • A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.
     
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    Gee, he said long record of severe traffic violations.

    If you have an argument make it, but don't pervert words and points of your opponent.
     
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    Yep,,, Garbage in and garbage out...

    And don't forget the Charleston situation was missed because the data was sitting on an FBI desk.

    "After Roof tried to buy a gun from a dealer outside Columbia on April 11, an FBI examiner found a felony drug charge in his record -- but in follow-up the examiner missed that Roof had actually admitted to possessing the drugs during his March arrest, Comey said. That admission should have barred Roof from buying the gun."
     
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    I give your opinion an inch and it runs off a cliff into hysterics mode. Blatant sensationalist exploitation of children here. Can leftist opinions not trNot acceptable.

    Come back to the middle everybody!

    Look the NRA supports background checks yes and they are thorough but the mental health guidelines federally are not strict enough.

    Everyone look at Governor Scott's proposals I posted part

    THAT will prevent more than people that are drooling zombies to be restricted for mental health reasons.... It also will have an appeal process if they get flagged as being a danger to themselves or others for mental reasons

    It's good.
     
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    Theres a list a mile long of mass shooters who had records that should have precluded them from purchasing weapons, but none of it was in NICS.

    liberal Solution: moar laws government control over the population.
     
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    The NRA has spent 10s of millions to prevent, sabotage, fake, and lie to make sure that background checks are worthless.

    I mean, geez, going to a gun show prevents the protections! Straw buyers protections are laughed at!

    For the few that bother to go to firearms dealer, the government has to do their "thorough backround checks" within THREE DAYS, the new gun owner takes the gun and LEAVES! Three days isn't time to accomplish that most times, PARTICULARLY for a difficult case which we can be sure any shady character would make these a problem, but the shooter leaves gun in hand anyway!

    It's amazing that the checks catch ANYONE. Further efforts by gun groups go further to stop mental health and violent behavior from actually stopping a court a gun owner are never-ending. Innocent death after death occurs by violent gun holders!

    The true capper is the successful block of attempts to prevent gun owners from being blocked by being on the No-fly list! What rot!

    A shooter can't fly on a plane, but can go ahead into a school, apparently now and further propsed ANY shooter kn the country could have his hidden gun going into a school?

    Yeee Haw! Get them guns anywhere, anytime, anywhere Mr Trump and Republicans! You do love them guns, er, ahh, you mean CHILDREN, right!???
     
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