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The rebels have this opinion. The rebels, who made a coup in Kiev.


The inhabitants of the Crimea, who do not want to live under the authority of these rebels....... These residents of Crimea have not this opinion.

Questions for Liberal Democrats:
Whose opinion is according with the principles of liberal democracy any more?
Why does the European Parliament took the side of the rebels?
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There is one simple issue and Russians ignore it.

In 2015, when Russian Troops invaded Ukraine, European Parliament continued contacts with Legal Ukrainian Authority - with Ukrainian Parliament, which is democratic and legitimate public authority.

Before Russian Invasion, President Viktor Yanukovych signed the memorandum on peaceful settlement of the civil crisis in the presence of representatives of France, Germany and Poland, but after the memorandum was signed, Yanukovych fled from Ukraine.

But there was still legal Parliament, and the Parliament continued to rule the state.

At that time, Russian troops had invaded Ukraine, assaulted states buildings and after that organized false Referendum and annex Crimea.

Not pro-Russian rebels took down legal Ukrainian authority, but Russian Troops did it before the untrusted Referendum. Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum.

 

Oh I can answer that with 100% confidence... YES

That is because Russia flooded the Crimea with Russian nationals & issued them with Russian passports years ago.

You really don't have a clue about political history & events do you?

 

Think what you are saying.....if Russia floods the Crimea with Russian Nationals of course any referendum would favor those who desire to be a Soviet client state again.....that only make sense. If the Chinese flooded Siberia with millions of its people, would you accept a referendum if a majority of those living there then wanted to join China? THINK.....!

 

This is what happened in the Crimea. Russian almost destroyed the indigenous people of Crimea Tatars and Russian inhabited Crimea. The same thing happened in the Kuban Circassians as a people had disappeared.

 

Dear  opponent! You ignore a few facts.

1) USA was the puppet master at the signing of this Memorandum, and in general in those events.

2) Yanukovych did not run away from Ukraine.
At first the rebels stormed the House Government President . They stormed it more than one day.

(Imagine..... the rebels stormed the White House USA)

The police did not have orders to shoot to kill.
Rebels had burning the cops by fire, and the police just stood. It is a fact

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American cop would shoot all flamethrowers immediately. Isn't it?

American puppeteer threatened the President of the "independent" Ukraine (,, ).... If Yanukovych will use weapons against the rebels, he will have been judged as Milosevic.
And Yanukovych had scared of threats from the American puppeteer.

Yanukovych have to forced to run from the rebels.

3) Parliament joined the rebels. Otherwise, parliamentarians would have to also escape with Yanukovich.
Parliamentarians have joined the rebels and so themselves have become rebels. It is logical?
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In Kiev, there was a coup d'etat. Rebels overthrew the president by force.

Crimea did not want to obey these rebels.
If the rebels "have the right" to overthrow the legitimate authority, the Crimea Residents have the right to overthrow these rebels. At least in the Crimea.

USA helped rebels topple these president.
Russian helped Crimea to get out of the power of the rebels.

If Russia has violated the Budapest memorandum, then no more than the USA.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGE8TN0MQA

 

You`re living in your own Russian dreams.
Yanukovych fled just after peaceful settlement of the civil crisis. He freely fled with out any assault actions by protestors. He just had fled and after that Russia invaded Ukraine - obviously, it was Putin-Yanukovych cooperation.

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Parliamentarians joined peaceful settlement of civil crisis. Parliament has the right to listen the part of its people, even if they are protestors, "rebels".
Parliament was legal, it represented all regions of Ukraine.

Ukraine at that moment had legal authority, legal Parliament. If there was question to Parliament, people (and Crimean people also) could initiate snap election.

But there was real coup by Russian violation. Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum.
Russian Troops invaded Ukraine, took down legal Ukrainian authority and after occupation Russia organized false Referendum

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This was typical civil standoff, you can see similar in many countries. It`is internal issue, is resolves by snap President and Parliament elections, but not by Russian invasion and occupation.

By the way, police force was rude, with excessive and unwarranted force. You posted video of 23.01.14, by that time a lot of protesters were killed by police.

The first protester was killed by police on 22 December 2013.
The first protester was shot on 22 January 2014
The first policeman was shot on 18 February 2014.

[video=youtube;ZGqo2yFgA7A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGqo2yFgA7A[/video]

 

You do not know the story or trying to deceive the gullible Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine

On 21 February, with a public announcement on the Maidan leaders of the parliamentary opposition of the signed Agreement, one of the activists of "self-Defense Maidan" Volodymyr Parasyuk said that he and "Maidan self-Defense" not satisfied specified in the document the gradual political reforms, and demanded the immediate resignation of President Yanukovych – otherwise he threatened to storm the presidential administration and the Verkhovna Rada. This statement was met with applause.

Yanukovych have to forced to run from the rebels.

Parliament joined the rebels. Otherwise, parliamentarians would have to also escape with Yanukovich.
Parliamentarians have joined the rebels and so themselves have become rebels. It is logical?

 

You are making virtual reality without any basis.

Strong facts are:

1. There was peaceful settlement of the civil crisis which was signed by protestor`s delegation and President.
2. Some people continued threaten Yanukovich by words.
3. Yanukovych fled without any further assault actions by protestors.
4. Parliament was still legal, it continued rule the state and resolve the civil crisis. Parliament has the right to make agreements with protestors ("rebels"), it`s internal issue.

Ukraine in 2014 had legal authority - legal Parliament, even if this Parliament made agreements with protestors to resolve civil crisis.

Parliament can`t be "rebel" as you say. Parliament can be legal or illegal. If Parliament isn`t legal, people initiate snap elections but not Russian invasion.

But Russia invaded and occupied some part of Ukraine.

Of course, you, Russian, tend to back crimes of your country. Most of the Russians say they have the right to violate the Budapest Memorandum, to invade Ukraine, to organize false Referendum and to annex part of Ukraine because Ukrainian President fled from Ukraine and Ukrainian Parliament made agreements with Ukrainian protestors to resolve standoff.

 

Here the question is more global. The fact that there was no coup or revolution in any country does not give the right to interfere in the internal affairs of this country. Russia intervened. Putin gave Yanukovych escape, which indicates that Yanukovy was a puppet of Putin. Saving Yanukovych, Putin has violated the sovereignty of Ukraine, because the Russian helicopter has taken on board landed Yanukovych in the Ukrainian territory. This happened even before the occupation of the Crimea.

 

That's right. Life Yanukovych was in real danger.

 

1) Rebels spit on the "peaceful settlement". They demanded the resignation of President without options.

2) «Some people» . This «Some people» is - the same rebels.

3) The police "Berkut" left.Yanukovych left without real protection.It is a fact.

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The rebels threatened to storm the building of the Government again.

Yanukovych was forced to flee.

4) Parliamentarians have joined the rebels. It is a fact.
Therefore they have become rebels. This is a logical conclusion.

Dear opponents. All your "Strong facts" are "burned cards".

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This is logic for the child.
Parliament can not be "rebel" by the law. Parliaments actions can not be "rebel" - it can be just "legal" or "illegal". If Parliament is illegal - people could demand snap election.

But you`re backing crimes of your country - you are backing Russian invasion because of some Ukrainian internal issue.

De jure, Russian invasion and occupation are illegal, there is no meanig if there was "coup" or "President fled but there was still legal Parliament". Russia is similar to nazy by their occupation and oppression minorities, and commoner Russians, as you, are similar to Germans in 1938 - all of you back your crimes.
So, Russia is faced with sanction.

 

February 21, 2014, under pressure and the mediation of the European Union, President Viktor Yanukovych agreed to the withdrawal of the special unit "Berkut" from Kiev

 

1) The logic is one for all. For children and adults.

2) If members of parliament joined the rebels, what parliamentarians are different from the rebels?

 

All this is no reason for Russia's intervention in the internal affairs of Ukraine.

 

I did use the past tense regarding the Crimea, maybe you have difficulty understanding grammer? And that is an important reason why Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. The reason why Russia flooded the Crimea was because of the Black Sea fleet.

As for your question regarding Siberia. IF China started to flood that region with its nationals & IF some how a movement rose to demand a referendum on the question of the sovereignty of that region & IF by some miracle Russia hadn't objected to the flooding of Siberia by Chinese citizens over a period of time. Then the answer to your silly question is yes I would accept the result of that referendum.

As I have accepted the result of the referendum held in Gibraltar & the Falklands.

Would you accept a referendum result if the Southern States of the US wanted to secede from the Union or would you want to invade?

Now think carefully before you answer!!!!

 

You self-righteous fool....Russia flooded Crimea to stuff the ballot boxes for the referendum...thereby allowing them to say that a majority voted in favor becoming a Soviet stooge satellite again.

 

In this case, Ukrainian President (Poroshenko) would like to hold a referendum in Crimea and Donbass under OSCE supervision.

To the residents of Crimea and Donbass were able to say a resounding "No !!!" . The resounding "No !!!" to Russian invaders.

What can you argue?

 

The answer is simple. Russian Empire pursued a policy of ethnic cleansing in the occupied foreign lands, as indigenous people of Crimea was virtually destroyed in Ukraine, especially in vostoynoy part as a result of the Holodomor arranged extinct large number of people, part of the Ukrainian population exiled to Siberia. Instead, the indigenous people of the land settled by Russian. The same policy was pursued, and in the Kuban, Caucasus and Turkestan. Kuban none at all left of the indigenous people. Cherkeses more living in Turkey than in the Kuban. To conduct a referendum among the Russian people living in the occupied territories, depriving thus the land in favor of Russia, not justified.

 

With regard to Russia's policy towards the colonial people, see the topic "Constituent peoples and its Fuhrer, - or Ukraine, and the list goes on".

 

In this case, Ukrainian President (Poroshenko) would like to hold a referendum in Crimea and Donbass under OSCE supervision.

To the residents of Crimea and Donbass were able to say a resounding "No !!!" . The resounding "No !!!" to Russian invaders.

What can you argue?

Yes. The answer is simple. You can not contradict me.

 

And where did you get the idea that I am trying to convince you? My purpose is to tell people the truth, and everyone is free to make a conclusion.

 

The truth is:

 

Russian General Vlasov army at full strength with all the arms crossed on the side of the Nazis is the fact. Then by your logic you need to deport all the Russian people, as they were deported Crimean Tatars. By the way, the same logic should have been deported and the people of Germany, as the main culprit of the Second World War.