NYC medical examiner rules Jeffrey Epstein death suicide by hanging

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  1. Mrlucky

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    Autopsy report rules Jeffrey Epstein's death a suicide

    "New York City's chief medical examiner has ruled that disgraced financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide by hanging in his prison cell last week, a federal official told Fox News Friday."

    "His death also caused a proliferation of conspiracy theories focusing on the high-profile people who moved in Epstein's social circle, including presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump."

    I am of the opinion contrary to certain "experts" and conspiracy theorists that it would be technically possible for him to off himself. There are a lot of people who wanted him dead but maybe he wanted himself dead as much. I never gave this guy a though before he made recent headlines. I have read some about what a slime he is but never really gave what he did much thought. The only thing it amplifies in my mind is that there are a lot of really screwed up people in the world and a lot of them seem to be very wealthy and powerful.

    So how did he do it? I haven't seen any evidence and it hasn't been talked about much at all other than he some how hung himself or as some believe, he was strangled.

    I believe either is possible but saying he could not have done it by himself is probably not entirely true.

    If he did it himself here's how I think it would be possible:

    1) Motive: He decided his life behind bars would probably be for the rest of his life. He didn't want to live with no freedom or in isolation. Stir crazy is real and it doesn't take that long to become psychologically depressed in complete isolation. He might also have figured that even if he was somehow able to get out, someone would want him dead. His life was over either way.

    2) Opportunity: He had a lot of money. It is possible that himself actually told the guards to do what they did. First he got himself off of suicide watch either with the help of his lawyer or by bribing guards or both.
    Once he was in a regular isolation cell, he might have bribed the guards. It would not be difficult to communicate to them with an offer they couldn't refuse. He tells a guard, If you look the other way for a few hours, there is big money it for you, etc. Maybe he told them where hidden money or other valuables could be found. Most people can be bribed if the price is right.

    3) Method: Here is where the evidence has not been released and where "experts" don't agree. There were at least two items that could technically be used for a person to commit suicide if they know how. Epstein was supposedly smart. He knew math and physics. He would have known the physics of leverage. He might also have trained himself to tolerate pain. Some can endure more than others.

    Item 1 - Toilet paper
    Item 2 - A paper bed sheet.

    Either item could be made into a rope strong enough to hang himself. It is possible to make a knife from paper too and has been used before to seriously injure or kill. That is not what he used so that method won't be further discussed here.

    Twist paper, any paper tight enough and it can be made into a strong "enough" rope.
    The fibers of the bed sheet are long and stronger, similar to cotton so that would be a logical choice if he was able to tear it into strips first and then tightly twist it. The paper can also be braided using 3 strands to make it much stronger. Knot at the ends so the paper stays tight.

    This is mostly boy scout survival stuff. It's not that difficult, it just takes time.

    So, now he has a rope. He make himself a noose. Rolling yourself over and over on the floor would tighten any rope nose, enough.

    Now the hard part. One would have to be determined or conditioned but it can be done. Japanese warriors in WWII often committed Hari-Kari with a sword rather than to be taken prisoner. They were conditioned for it.

    Epstein understands the physical principles of leverage and has conditioned his mind to be able to off himself or at least to endure the needed physical pain.

    Without seeing his bed, any rope or his cell the rest is strictly conjecture on my part.

    He has to be able to attach the rope. I assume it was some how either attached to the bed it was steel or the cell door if the bed was just a mattress on a concrete platform base.

    Either way he attaches the rope he needs maximum distance to exert velocity. 3-4' is all he would need. He has to be conditioned for pain though because he's going to yank and push with his legs using the most amount of leverage possible.
    The first try or two doesn't kill but maybe is enough to fracture a neck bone. He has to repeat this a couple more times. It is going to be painful and he probably blacks out between each yank of the rope. Finally, another bone or two is broken and the rope is still tight around his neck. His airway is beginning to close. He leans in, waits no longer than about 10 minutes until he passes out, for good.

    IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY, A GUARD OR A HIT MAN THAT LOOKED LIKE A GUARD, USED THE PAPER ROPE TRICK AND MADE IT LOOK LIKE HE DID IT HIMSELF.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-medical-examiner-rules-jeffrey-epstein-death-suicide-by-hanging
     
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    Trump and or Clinton both maybe had reasons to want Epstein mute? I was immediately suspicious by how spastic Barr got wanting an "investigation". Reminded me of the old adage ' I think the lady protest too much'. My thoughts were that Barr should be carefull what be wishes for because the result may not be what he thinks.
     
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    Amish hitman..
     
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    Epstein still had a crap load of money so he could easily have paid off guards or officials.
     
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    The Clinton boy has been out of office for 19 years so he does not have the inside resources that Trump has to make Epstein go quite.
     
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    Or medical examiners.. or all of the above.... and Epstein is not the only one with a crapload of money and keen interest in Epstein's eternal silence... and Epstein was very active in the highest levels of democratic circles, and NYC is a very democratic city, run exclusively by democrats...
     
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    Oh yes, by all means, let's get the medical examiners in on the action...

    The guy was guilty, somebody (or many) in the prison ****ed up watching him, and he killed himself.

    I'll go out on a limb and say Lucky Bastard....
     
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    Sure, and bull. He has plenty of resources and knows everyone worth knowing. That's how he just happened to run into his old friend on the tarmac, remember?
    He still gets around and has all the influence needed. He's not off the hook.
     
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    Conspiracy theorists will never let this one go.
     
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    Probably not. I'd like to see some evidence released. If you take the 50 or so names that have been floated around though, it's a lot of VIP's period. Some may be republican, a lot are democrats and some are foreign royals from the UK, ME and wherever the super rich and famous like to play. I don't know if he did it himself but I think it would be difficult but possible.
     
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    Out of those 50, only 2 or 3 I think, have been pointed out as having direct involvement though none of them have been called for investigation.
     
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    Watching the show called “planet America” they talked of how
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/programs/planet-america/
    https://m.facebook.com/abcplanetamerica/#_=_

    One of the essential issues was how the staffing had been cut back due to budget cuts

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/...ghlights-a-staffing-crisis-in-federal-prisons

    This goes to my old belief

    “Whenever you have a choice between conspiracy and sheer sodding incompetence put your money on the latter”

    In this case the incompetence compass points straight to the Trump administration

    Yes boys and girls it was Billy Barr in the administration with a lack of basic competence for the job

     
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    Who knows how this will play out. I would expect some co-conspirators to be called, like the women who arranged stuff for him first. The jail guys will be investigated more too.
     
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    And this goes straight up the line to incompetence at the top with no director in charge of the system, massive staffing shortages, non prison staff filling in for guards constant demands for overtime, 18 hour shifts.

    This level of incompetence points to the top and the AG.
     
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    And this is what blows the conspiracy theory apart Maxwell, his co conspirator, knows everything. She is on record as being the “madam” grooming girls for him and recruiting new victims. She is alive and free and has probably MORE dirt than Epstein himself
     
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    That is just too predictable that you would head that way. Some proof would it much more believable.
     
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    I undestnd that teachers were forced to work as prison employees.
     
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    That is BS you know nothing about. It has been there and staffed long before Trump. The sequester BTY was on Obama's watch, same as any corruption in the DOJ. These people are civil servants, lifers that don't come and go with an administration change.
     
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    You actually believe that his friends would committ murder for him ??
    You really believe something like that?
     
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    Oh I don't know. When 20 things that literally never happen do extremely conveniently happen at the exact same time and to the same one ultra-high profile prisoner, to an enormous (life and death / freedom or prison level) benefit of a handful of the richest and most powerful people on the planet (royalty, world leaders etc)... and all we have to rely on is some obscure government bureaucrat who may well be under enormous political and career pressure, perhaps subjected to bribes, promises of promotions or blackmail, threats, intimidation of family members...

    Anyway, Epstein's lawyers (and I presume he employed the best) will be challenging the results of the autopsy so it is hardly a conspiracy theory just because a medical examiner says so.
     
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    The Clintons, Hell yes. It probably wouldn't be the first time either.
     
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    You really do love you some Constipated conspiracy don't you.
     
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    Some, mostly mystery though. Did you ever read Sherlock Holmes? I remember one book where he was investigating a murder. This guy was stabbed in the back of the neck but there was no weapon found.
    Holmes looked up at the roof above the body where large icicles were hanging. The murderer Holmes deduced, stabbed the guy in the base of his neck, (also the base of the brain not well protected by the skull) with an icicle from the roof. It melts and leaves no trace. Ingenious!
     
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    I would like to think so, but I am not sure.
     

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