Oath Keepers leader, 10 others charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot

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  1. Durandal

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    Oath Keepers leader, 10 others charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot

    WASHINGTON -- Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the far-right Oath Keepers militia group, has been arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, authorities said Thursday.

    Rhodes is the highest-ranking member of an extremist group to be arrested in the deadly siege and it is the first time the Justice Department has brought a seditious conspiracy charge in connection with the attack on the Capitol.

    ... https://abc13.com/oath-keepers-oathkeepers-jan-6-stewart-rhodes/11464090/


    Justice is coming for those attempted the coup last January. Very nice to see. I just hope those at the top pay the most for it, because they certainly deserve to. They lied to and manipulated millions of Americans, and they attempted a paper coup in addition to the violent one on the 6th.
     
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    The first significant domino has been tipped. Let's see what follows and how high it will go.
     
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  3. Bearack

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    Weird.... still no charges of insurrection...

    And now they are charging people that weren't even there. DOJ has surely become the Gestapo of the Biden administration.
     
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    The investigation continues as it should. !!!!
     
  5. Egoboy

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    One Fish
    Two Fish
    Little Fish
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    Big Fish
     
  6. Egoboy

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    What's even weirder is that you don't understand that seditious conspiracy IS the only law on the books for "insurrection"...
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Deadly siege"? :roll:

    Did Ray Epps get charged?

    Sounds like your dearly beloved Democrats, but you didn't have a problem with that.
     
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  8. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not a good look for you, accusing DOJ of being the Gestapo for charging those who committed or conspired to commit sedition.


    Seditious conspiracy is a conspiracy to commit sedition. It is a federal crime in the United States per 18 U.S.C. § 2384:

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.​

    For a seditious conspiracy charge to be effected, a crime need only be planned, it need not be actually attempted. According to Andres Torres and Jose E. Velazquez, the accusation of seditious conspiracy is of political nature and was used almost exclusively against Puerto Rican independentistas in the twentieth century.[1] However, the act was also used in the twentieth century against communists (United Freedom Front),[2] neo-Nazis,[3] and terrorists such as the Provisional IRA in Massachusetts and Omar Abdel-Rahman.[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspiracy
     
  9. Hey Now

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and say Stone and Bannon maybe one way to the Biggest Fish who stood to benefit so it might be a hard slog ultimately. Maybe it will be enough to simply "put the fear of God" in some key players and state houses?
     
  10. Zorro

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    Fake News

    "The DOJ announcement describes the charges with reference to the statute’s inclusion of efforts to oppose or delay execution of a law, not its reference “to conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them …”"

    But watch the liars and fake news propagandists within the "MSM and the Schumer/Pelosi crowd frame it rhetorically as if the defendants are being charged with conspiracy to overthrow the government."
     
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    Ummmm…..why did you not quote the rest of the code…..??
     
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  12. Durandal

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    The three indictments collectively charge all 19 defendants with corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. Eighteen of the 19 defendants – the exception is Walden – are charged with conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiring to prevent an officer of the United States from discharging a duty. Eleven of the 19 defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy. Some of the defendants are also facing other related charges.

    The seditious conspiracy indictment alleges that, following the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election, Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants and others to oppose by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021. Beginning in late December 2020, via encrypted and private communications applications, Rhodes and various co-conspirators coordinated and planned to travel to Washington, D.C., on or around Jan. 6, 2021, the date of the certification of the electoral college vote, the indictment alleges. Rhodes and several co-conspirators made plans to bring weapons to the area to support the operation. The co-conspirators then traveled across the country to the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in early January 2021.

    According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with co-conspirators and others.

    On Jan. 6, 2021, a large crowd began to gather outside the Capitol perimeter as the Joint Session of Congress got under way at 1 p.m. Crowd members eventually forced their way through, up, and over U.S. Capitol Police barricades and advanced to the building’s exterior façade. Shortly after 2 p.m., crowd members forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, ramming open doors, and assaulting Capitol police and other law enforcement officers. At about this time, according to the indictment, Rhodes entered the restricted area of the Capitol grounds and directed his followers to meet him at the Capitol.

    At approximately 2:30 p.m., as detailed in the indictment, Hackett, Harrelson, Meggs, Moerschel, and Watkins, and other Oath Keepers and affiliates – many wearing paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo, and insignia – marched in a “stack” formation up the east steps of the Capitol, joined a mob, and made their way into the Capitol. Later, another group of Oath Keepers and associates, including James, Minuta, and Ulrich, formed a second “stack” and breached the Capitol grounds, marching from the west side to the east side of the Capitol building and up the east stairs and into the building.

    While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/...s-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy

    Just an ordinary tourist visit, right?
     
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    Links provided. If you want to post more, what's stopping you.
     
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    And so it begins....

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    Dur, what do you expect them to use a "proof" that it wasn't an attack on the seat of government if they can no longer use "nobody has been charged with <all the stuff I want other people to pretend they didn't see or hear or our own President being a lame duck during the attack, a worthlessness only topped by his uselessness at leading us through a pandemic>" rationalization?

    That was already a precarious position because one has to ignore the part of that that implies everyone that has never been arrested and sentenced to incarceration has not committed a crime. If true, that means ALL crimes have been solved and ALL parties have been tried and convicted.


    Why would you leave them in a lurch this way, dude? I'm not sure they are capable of a Plan B.
     
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    Exactly what I said, only you cut and pasted 6 full paragraphs to say what I said with a few lines:

    The DOJ announcement describes the charges with reference to the statute’s inclusion of efforts to oppose or delay execution of a law, not its reference “to conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them …”"

    But the liars within the increasingly screeching Left and fake news propagandists within the MSM and the Schumer/Pelosi crowd will attempt to frame it rhetorically as if the defendants are being charged with conspiracy to overthrow the government, when, They Have Not.
     
  17. Durandal

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    Splitting hairs.

    "We aren't going through this without civil war. Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body and spirit," Rhodes allegedly said in a November 5, 2020, signal message. In December, Rhodes -- according to the indictment -- wrote of the electoral college certification that "There is no standard political or legal way out of this."

    Prosecutors have previously said that Rhodes used Signal during the attack to communicate with other members of the Oath Keepers who were at the Capitol.

    "All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything," Rhodes allegedly wrote. "So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough," he allegedly said on Signal at 1:38 p.m. that day, shortly after the siege had begun.​

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/oathkeeper-rhodes-arrested-doj/index.html
     
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    So... they must have arrested and charged Ray Epps too? Right?
     
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    Maybe that bunch of traitors shouldn’t have taken an oath to protect the seditious malignant narcissist instead of the Constitution.
     
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    Here are the charges as outlined at the DOJ's website.
    Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach | OPA | Department of Justice
     
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    That's not an argument that I'm wrong, but an admission that I'm correct. Thank you.
    Nothing you posted there disputes my point.
     
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    I suspect this will have a similar result.
     
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    Weaponizing the DOJ is also not a good look. There are dictators that have done the same in the past.

    Again, charging a guy who wasn't there with Seditious conspiracy (and could be legit), but no charges were charged against the guy (Ray Epps) who was there instigating people to enter the capital. Yeah... seems legit!
     
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    None of those people have the slightest knowledge of God..... you need to put the fear that somebody might slow up the grifting to have any value...
     
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    Ummmmm….if you’d looked just 2 posts before yours, you would have seen the part that you conveniently left out…..the part that covers EXACTLY those sedition charges…!
     

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