Obama made a mistake when he decided the country was not best served......

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .....by investigating members of the Bush admin for war crimes. I can appreciate his reasoning. We were experiencing an economic crisis on a global scale. Hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost each month. Banks were freezing the availability of credit to businesses. A collapse of the entire financial system was a distinct possibility. Obama felt the country needed to come together to defeat an existential threat.

    The lies the Bush admin told the public and members of Congress to justify going to war were blatant. The authorization given to torture detainees was a violation of international codes of ethics and law. For many of us it was unthinkable no one would be held responsible. But just like the bankers who helped cause the financial crisis, no one in the Shrub admin was held to account.

    Now we are hearing the Dems are making a political calculation about whether to begin impeachment proceedings. The feeling is impeachment does not address the kitchen table issues like healthcare and job security facing most Americans. So Dems run the risk of once again being falsely accused of failing to meet the needs and concerns of average Americans. I get that.

    However, we can not allow the degree of lawlessness documented in Mueller's report to be dismissed so as not to risk the Dem's chances in the next election cycle. Doing so is not only cowardly, it is a dereliction of Congress' constitutional duties. With so many Trumpist loyalists in the Senate, removing Don by impeachment, despite overwhelming evidence it is warranted, will not happen. That should not be what the decision to proceed is based on. It needs to be based on a return to the rule of law. Because ultimately, subverting that essential element of our democratic republic is the biggest threat the Criminal-in-Chief poses. If his conduct can be engaged in without consequence the battle to defeat the wholesale corruption Trumpery is causing, effecting every level of government, will be lost.
     
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  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll say this for Obama's decision. It's more defensible, under the circumstances, than a decision not to at least move ahead with hearings to consider if articles of impeachment should be drawn up.
     
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    Heard Ilhan Omars remarks on the US aid mission in Somalia? Think Ilhan wanted to see Clinton tried as a war criminal for defending UN relief workers and Somali civilians from islamic militant warlords bloodthirsty militias. Psuedo-moralists are a hoot.
     
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    Say hello to President Pence.
     
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    Shouldn't mr Obama be vastly more concerned about whether or not he himself could be tried for his war crimes? I mean, since the OP member is so concerned about war crimes, and all... why not shine that very bright light on the misdeeds of the Obama administration and their use of military force to commit crime?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's correct. The line of succession makes Pence the prez.

    The more important thing at stake here is to preserve the rule of law. Even more so than removing a corrupt moron like Don. Because this isn't really about him. It's about how the government deals with any prez who violates his oath of office to the degree Individual One did.
     
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    When did Pence announce?
     
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    Congress held two investigations into Bush, funny the OP doesn't know that.

    They found no guilt.

    How embarrassing for him.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's one thing for future presidential candidates to feel their chances of election will not be hurt by shtoinking a porn actor, grabbing women's vajayjays, or surrounding themselves with criminals. It's quite another for the precedent to be set that they feel, once elected, they can violate the oath of office indiscriminately and get away with it without consequence.
     
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    You realize you make all humans look bad with your posts don't you?

    We as a species are better than that.

    What if some alien reads your comments?
     
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    Does't have to. Successfully impeach Trump and we will have President Pence and there is a pretty good chance he would be reelected given the electoral college.
     
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    This is rich, I guess the OP is finally realizing the Russian hoax, was just a hoax, and is feeling the heat from all the corruption exposed against the Obama regime, that he has to revert back to the Bush admin....well keep hope alive, and do anything to change the impending facts being exposed about his beloved Dictator.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :sleepy: If you think "right wingers" are doing anything besides looking forward to ignoring the impeachment vaudevillian revue until the final act, when (D)'s take a pie to the face, you're mistaken.
     
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    Here is, as William Barr might call it, “the bottom line”: The Mueller report describes, in excruciating detail and with relatively few redactions, a candidate and a campaign aware of the existence of a plot by a hostile foreign government to criminally interfere in the U.S. election for the purpose of supporting that candidate’s side. It describes a candidate and a campaign who welcomed the efforts and delighted in the assistance. It describes a candidate and a campaign who brazenly and serially lied to the American people about the existence of the foreign conspiracy and their contacts with it. And yet, it does not find evidence to support a charge of criminal conspiracy, which requires not just a shared purpose but a meeting of the minds.

    Here is the other bottom line: The Mueller report describes a president who, on numerous occasions, engaged in conduct calculated to hinder a federal investigation. It finds ample evidence that at least a portion of that conduct met all of the statutory elements of criminal obstruction of justice. In some of the instances in which all of the statutory elements of obstruction are met, the report finds no persuasive constitutional or factual defenses. And yet, it declines to render a judgment on whether the president has committed a crime.

    Now, the House must decide what to do with these facts. If it wants to actually confront the substance of the report, it will introduce a resolution to begin an impeachment inquiry.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/mueller-report-demands-impeachment-inquiry

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    https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
     
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    If you think about it, this whole charade is hilarious. The dems are determined get rid of Trump and make him pay for beating Hilary. At the same time, they would end up with Pence who many dems hate worse than Trump.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why aren't they moving ahead with impeachment proceedings right now?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    B. Conduct regarding the Flynn investigation

    Obstructive act (p. 43): Trump asked for Comey’s loyalty and pressured Comey to “let this go” regarding the FBI investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. “In analyzing whether these statements constitute an obstructive act, a threshold question is whether Comey’s account of the interaction is accurate, and, if so, whether the President’s statements had the tendency to impede the administration of justice by shutting down an inquiry that could result in a grand jury investigation and criminal charge.”

    Read the rest of article of impeachment #1 at

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
     
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    Trump gained seats in the Senate. The impeachment show got cancelled due to poor ticket sales during mid-terms. (D)'s are holding dress rehearsals just so 2020 hopefuls can audition for the upcoming role of 2020's DNC nominee. All that free media coverage is what they're after. They can't impeach Trump, and crazy socialist entitlements pandering ain't keeping (D) TV viewers glued to their screens. :heartbreaker:
     
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    If the rule of law is important then messing around with impeachment proceedings, which are, at this point, little more political theater for the shallow minded, would be the antithesis.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Feel free to factually refute Mueller's findings that 4 instances of obstruction meet all 4 criteria for the legal threshold.
     
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    Meh, who will investigate Obama's regime for his lies eh?

    The dem clown show is eating it's own.
     

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