Obama sure appears to be a hypocrite

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  1. After-Hour Prowler

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    Obama did not like the dropping of charges against General Flynn.

    Here are Obama's comments on General Flynn

    No precedent?
    Do pardon's count.
    ...:roflol:

    I guess Obama forgot he pardoned General Cartwright for lying to the FBI

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/...ght-general-who-lied-to-fbi-in-leak-case.html
     
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    A pardon comes with an admission of guilt. Dropping charges does not. See the difference? Cartwright was guilty and he admitted his guilt. He also had strong mitigating circumstances that his actions were in defense of US security.
    Flynn admitted his guilt and would now take it back. Trump didn't pardon him but probably would not have gotten heat had he done so. But by just dropping the prosecution it would appear that justice will not be served based on a whim and not for the first time by Barr. That is a dangerous road to take.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a pardon is not the same as dropping charges to someone that confessed to the crime

    especially when the charged were dropped by a political hack rather then the prosecutors
     
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    So you wouldn’t have a problem with a Trump pardon of Flynn or Rodger Stone?

    Stone will be pardoned the day after the election, so think about it.
     
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    Pardon comes with an admission of guilt?
    :roflol:

    Since when?

    Can you show me Mark Rich’s admission of guilt?
     
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    Dry your tears and get up off the floor.
     
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    Oh.... so you don’t have to admit your guilt, your given the guilt, with no ramifications ?
    Kinda like an invisible guilt that nobody can see and has no impact on anything.

    It is not like a felony conviction.

    Well I guess it is a good thing to see that they finally found out that Obama had Flynn setup, so the FBI’s actions were illegal.

    Nice of the prosecutors to drop the charges.
    We wouldn’t want Flynn to get that irrelevant admission of guilt.

    Look how that invisible admission of guilt affected Mark Rich.
     
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    I would, Trump hired him, Pardon's are usually of other people, not friends or co-partners in crime and after they have done some time

    they are usually punished for some time before a Pardon is even thought of
     
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    Like Marc Rich?
    How much jail time did he do? :roflol:
     
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    To be pardoned one must be convicted. When one is pardoned the record of the conviction stands.
     
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    Not actually, a pardon can be made prior to trial, think Nixon. But an admission of guilt comes with it. A person can decline a pardon and defend themselves in court if they wish.
     
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    The charge was dropped by the prosecutors.
     
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    no it wasn't, look who signed it, it was a political hack
     
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    Barack Obama is Worried About Something, That Is Obvious.

    “Listening to the call you can hear that Obama sounds shaky, even nervous discussing it. And there’s plenty of reason. In addition to setting up a perjury trap for Flynn, Obama officials also withheld exculpatory evidence and investigated Trump and his associates over alleged Russian collusion even though they had no empirical evidence of that collusion. Declassified documents also showed that Obama was aware of the bogus investigation and efforts to railroad Michael Flynn.”
    So was Beijing Biden
     
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    Who signed what? The Justice department is the prosecutor.
     
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    Yeah, here's the thing...

    Flynn wasn't pardoned.

    Big difference.

    So score one for truth.
    Score one for the rule of law.
    Neither of which do Trumpinistas respect.
     
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    If Flynn or Stone were pardoned the democrats still would have cried & you know it.

    Just wait & watch.... Stone will be pardoned right after the election and the democrats will cry foul.
     
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    Yeah the democrats really respect the rule of law. :roflol:

    Didn’t Clinton pardon the biggest tax evader in US History Marc Rich while he was on the lamb in Europe?

    Flynn was setup during OBAMAGATE & he did nothing wrong. He said he didn’t recall talking to anyone from Russia. The FBI was trying to catch him in a perjury trap & even the agents did not think he was lying. He also had every right to talk to the Russian ambassador.
     
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    Rich's indictment was entirely a political act. He made the oh so serious mistake of Trading with Iran.

    Flynn was not pardoned. Trump and the Trumpinistas decided to drop the matter AFTER Flynn had plead guilty TWICE. Trump interfered in the operations of the justice department to get one of his friends off.

    But in any case are you saying it's OK as long as Clinton did it? Is the now Republican rationale? We can commit any crime if we think a Democrat did it first?

    Republicans are indeed a sorry lot.
     

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