Obama: "We're supposed to stand up to bullies...Nazis are bad!"

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Should American politicians denounce racism and Nazi Sympathizers?

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  2. No!

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  1. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

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    With recent polls showing Trump's approval rating being as low as 36% we have to seriously consider how close Trump is coming to being impeached and take an objective look at the desperate tactics he has used to bully the press and his critics in to silence or vilify them to the point where he looks like the victim. Trump's hesitation to denounce the most radical elements among far-right conservatives including Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and those who decide to march with them shows that he is not a President who is in touch with the moral integrity of the average American voter.

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    I voted no, and proudly so.

    The OP believes Trump is a racist. He also made this fallacious thread asking for proof for Trump not being a racist (even though the burden of proof is 100% on him to prove that he is).

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ters-believe-donald-trump-is-a-racist.537280/

    So the words "racist" or "Nazi" in this context mean absolutely nothing.

    So this is another dishonest thread asking for politicians to condemn Donald Trump, who is even explicitly mentioned. Nothing to do with racism or Nazism in the actual sense of the words.

    Just another TDS thread.

    We don't owe anything to libs. Who cares what they ask us? They're not in a position to demand anything. Just remove them from power, and then we can discuss between reasonable people who actually know what a racist or a Nazi is.
     
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  3. Egalitarianjay02

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    I did prove that Trump is a racist. He has been proven to be a racist by his words, actions, policies and associations.

    Anyone who decides to march with Klansmen and Neo-Nazis deserves judgment and criticism.

    We don't owe anything to racists. Who cares what they ask us? Just remove them from power.

     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Racists are voters too, and both sides have them. Presidents lead the nation, that includes everyone, it would be bad policy to denounce anyone not specifically engaged in criminal activity. As far as I know, Antifa has been more violent than any so-called Nazi organization in the past few years. If there should be anyone denounced it should be Antifa, they attack peaceful citizens exercising their first amendment rights all the time, whether its lawful assembly or free speech. I still wouldn't expect the president to denounce them for anything besides their vast criminal exploits though...
     
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    Who are the Nazis? I have yet to see a real one yet.
     
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    The same ICE progs want to destroy are about to deport the last real Nazi in America...
     
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    I bet he can't goosestep..
     
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    Is that why progs and Antifa haven't been helping him out? They hate ICE but are surprisingly silent on this issue, which is odd, because the only crime this guy is known to have committed is lying on his immigration paperwork, whereas progs have been supporting those who don't even bother to fill out any paper work. Hypocrites, the lot of them...
     
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    You haven't seen a real live Nazi? Well we need to go on a manhunt then and find one. Maybe we can get a $10 million dollar reward for the capture of a Nazi and put then in an exhibit a long with Bigfoot, Santa Claus, Ghosts, Demons and Extraterrestrials.

    Oh found one!



    Jakiw Palij is accused of having lied to gain entry to the US almost 70 years ago, claiming he was a Polish farmer. Almost 20 years ago, the US authorities determined that he had been a member of the SS and had worked at the Trawniki concentration camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ij-arrested-new-york-deported-germany-n902441

    "I would never have received my visa if I told the truth. Everyone lied," the SS-trained guard told Justice Department investigators in 1993.

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    SS leader Heinrich Himmler, center, shakes hands with new guard recruits at the Trawniki camp in Nazi-occupied Poland in 1942. Jakiw Palij later received SS training there and served as a guard at an adjacent forced labor camp.


    Neo-Nazis and Klansman were involved in the Unite the Right Rally who Donald Trump at one point refused to condemn and equated with protestors of their hate rally.

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    If you support their ideals and use their symbols to represent you beliefs you are on their side. Anyone who claims they aren't aware of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers doesn't have the integrity to admit the truth.
     
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    Just some misguided youth...
     
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    I voted yes.

    I would love to see the same politicians who denounce the KKK and White Nationalists denounce La Raza and AntiFa, for example.

    All racism and all fascism is bad. Denouncing them peicemeal is hypocritical.
     
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    Misguided youth can KILL PEOPLE!



    They can also grow up to be bitter old racists.....

     
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    Politicians have no business "standing up against" lawful free expression whatever form it may take.
     
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    Yep and the largest number of hate crimes in the US per capita is committed by blacks, yet you keep invoking the 6 guys in a clown car KKK argument.
     
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    That is not true and hate crimes committed by White Supremacists (Nationalists, Neo-Nazis, Separatists, Alt-Right etc.) have gone up considerably since Trump got elected.

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    Yeah. It is true.

    2016 hate crime offenders:

    White 2,671
    Black 1,508

    Total crimes of all races: 5,770

    By that data, whites are 63% of the US population and committed 46% of hate crimes. That's lower than the white share of the population.

    Blacks are 13% of the US population and committed 26% of hate crimes. That's twice their rate of the US population.

    So yes, on a per capita basis, blacks commit a far higher rate of hate crimes.
     
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    You lefties should be nascar fans . Race Race Race..3.
     
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    No thanks. I don't find anything fun or exciting about watching people race cars around a track. Now Mixed Martial Arts THAT is a sport for real men.

     
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    The methodology used by the FBI to gather their data is questionable and your use of the concept of per capita is not consistent with its common use by statisticians.

    Known Offenders, Known Offender’s Race, Ethnicity, and Age, 2016
    The FBI collects these data through the Uniform Crime Reporting Program’s Hate Crime Statistics Program.

    General comments
    • This table presents the number of known hate crime offenders distributed by the known offenders’ race, ethnicity, and age categories.
    • The known offenders’ ethnicity and age totals are representative of those agencies that provided ethnicity and/or age breakdowns. Not all agencies provide ethnicity and/or age data; therefore, neither the known offenders’ ethnicity total nor the known offenders’ age total will be equal to the known offenders’ race total.
    Methodology
    The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies submitting one or more hate crime incidents for at least 1 month of the calendar year. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year.

    If you're comparing the total population of the United States to make a "per capita" comparison between the rate of crime committed by Blacks-on-Whites vs. Whites-on-Blacks then you have to consider that in many parts of the United States especially the Midwest there are very few Black people and often no Blacks for racist White people to victimize.

    Black perpetrators of hate crimes against Whites are likely mostly done in the inner city and suburbs of cities densely populated by Blacks where there are more White people to target as victims. So the statistical averages are not comparable.

    You're using the same flawed reasoning Tim Wise pointing out to me concerning claims that there is a Black-on-White rape epidemic in the United States.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-myth-of-the-black-on-white-rape-epidemic.469377/

    The fact is that most victims of hate crimes in the United States are Blacks and most of the perpetrators are Whites.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-data-shows-us-hate-crimes-continued-to-rise-in-2017/

     
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    Making a statement of "questionable" isn't an argument. It's the only source that draws from law enforcement agencies nationwide which is in fact why your own news article's source study uses FBI data.

    Didn't you even look at your own source? By your standard, your own source is "questionable."

    Are you saying the FBI's source data for that study which YOU cited is garbage? Or is it just "questionable" when it says something you find uncomfortable?

    According to your own data - page 19 - anti-white hate crimes also went up after the 2016 election.

    Overall, blacks commit the largest per capita rate of hate crimes as I showed by citing direct FBI data.

    The only difference is the FBI data I quoted is nationwide whereas your study fixates on a few select large cities.

    You mean basic math?

    Not on a per capita basis, absolutely not, as FBI data shows. You can't compare straight numbers as there are 500% more whites than blacks in the United States. That's what per capita rates are for.
     
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    And you think comparing the number of White hate crimes to number of Black hate crimes nationwide is a reasonable comparison? A very large percentage of White Americans do not live around Blacks. That is why the other FBI data is on large cities where there is more interaction between racial groups. You can't commit a hate crime against minorities when there are no minorities to victimize. These types of distortions and selective interpretation of data are exactly what Tim Wise was talking about. Most victims of hate crimes in the United States are Black. Most perpetrators of hate crimes in the United States are White. Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of hate crimes because they are only 13% of the population and the average Black person interacts with Whites more often than the average White person interacts with Blacks.

    This is what one would expect when a minority is only found in large numbers around a handful of cities and is underrepresented in most towns relative to their total percentage of the national population.
     
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    At this time in his reign, obama was at the same approval level as Trump.

    You FAIL.
     
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    What a joke. They're not even remotely comparable. Obama had to deal with a recession that developed before he became President. In September of 2010 his approval rating was about 42%. Many Americans were frustrated with the slow progress of the recovering economy but as the economy recovered Obama's approval rating skyrocketed leading to his re-election and a 60% approval rating at the end of his Presidency.

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    Trump inherited a strong economy from the Obama administration which he tried to take credit for even though he has been trying to destroy Obama's legacy. Despite good economic reports Trump's approval rating is around 38% which is highly unusual for a President at this stage in his career with a good economy (which is showing signs of declining thanks to Trump). Why? Scandals. If the Democrats win the mid-term elections there is a good chance that Trump will be impeached.



    The odds of Donald Trump being re-elected and leaving office with a 60% approval rating are slim to none. Trump supporters are in for a rude awakening after November of 2018. You're going to see some radical moves in politics that you are not going to like. When it happens don't say I didn't warn you.
     
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    Total BS. Stop drinking the koolaid.
     
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    Y'all ain't tired of this fake, manufactured Nazi hysteria yet?
     

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