Obamacare: Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act

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  1. ronv

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    Obama Care required all insurance to cover preexisting conditions at no additional cost. It's one of the things that will magically disappear if it is repealed.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are incorrect. "Healthcare" spending is mostly on preventable disease caused by diet. Food companies are not stupid; they understand the psychology behind trigger, response, reward. Like cigs, unhealthy food is addictive. It is made cheap through subsidies.

    America's record levels of illness is not the result of a pharm product deficiency. Masking symptoms is good for profit, bad for the patient.

    I remember Dr. Koop standing up to the tobacco industry and appreciate the results. I used to work in an office full of smoke.
     
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    Come on, Man
    If you support pre-existing conditions that means - no health insurance can exist without government support.
    Then why do we have that convoluted and dangerous health care system, where people are dying without proper coverage?

    I mean it is ultimate stupidity to vote for the representatives who impose double price on everything related to medicine.
    I do not understand people who want voluntarily give money to doctors, health insurers, drug producers etc to get NOTHING in return.
     
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    You said that your employer pays the half.
    Since your employer gets an assistance from the taxpayer, you are getting help from the government.
     
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    So if this was successful, if Obamacare disappeared and all the folks on the plan had no more insurance - what would happen? I know the answer is for them to go out and find an alternative, but knowing capitalism as I do, don't you think carriers and their brokers would see a golden opportunity for higher rates? Sure, there could be a lowering across the board for each to become attractive - but we all know that is just for the first year. After that, rates can be raised without a second's thought. So for those who are cheering on repeal, what do you see happening since we don't have a 'replace' in place?

    Oh - and for those who are cheering on the repeal - do you currently have Obamacare? And if you don't, why the personal interest in having it repealed?
     
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    he doesn’t get aid from the taxpayer
     
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    A couple of flaws in your premise.

    Government support? A basic law, two pages, that redefines what PE is, and that insurance companies cannot exclude them. Then the person receiving the PE coverage pays a higher premium, so other people don't have to pay for their negligence in being responsible.

    Do you understand the health insurance is not health CARE? It's a front loaded payment mechanism, not actual care. People don't die because they didn't have insurance, they die because they didn't receive CARE.

    Well, according to you, people with insurance are the only ones who DO receive care. As wrong as that may be, those who know what they need usually do get what they need. Perhaps you are thinking about people who just watch their damaged toe turn poisonous and green to eventually fall off, because they didn't WANT to go to the ER or clinic.

    There are flaws to the health care system. Insurance doesn't fix any of them, and that's why the PPACA is a failure. Until the actual system is addressed, it doesn't matter how much insurance you throw at it, or how many people you make pay for the low/no income group, it will continue to drain us.
     
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    as long as private hospitals are required to charge the same as public hospitals, sounds good
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so if Americans could order from overseas without a government required prescription.... prices would be cheaper

    the war on drugs is why we pay more for drugs
     
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    so you are suggesting you should be able to order all the drugs you want from where ever without doctor supervision? so we need so fda as well right.?
     
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    I did, so I take it you do not understand it
     
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    That is a lie. It will be the forever the standard
     
  13. FreshAir

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    yep, I am suggesting if I want a doctors advice, I will pay for it, if I do not need it, I wont

    the fda can give us information, we decide what to do with that information

    requiring people to get permission slips for the medication then need is why health care costs are so high

    time to end the war on drugs... it harms more people than the drugs themselves ever could
     
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    we only hope that Obama set the new standard, but many on the right would want to end it for that reason alone
     
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    if the fda doesn’t approve it you think you should still be able to get it overseas?


    the idea of a doctor supervision is a lot of drugs have potentially harmful side effects and can be very addictive

    in case you didn’t notice we have a major pill epidemic that exploded under the obama admin that we’ve been combating children are literally dying
     
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    yep, the war on drugs has not stopped the private drugs from being abused... the war on drugs is a failure

    remember, the abuse is there legal or not, just one makes criminals of those that did not abuse

    if the FDA bans meat, will you be ok with that? they did it with raw milk.... they do not always get it right - they should inform the public, that should be their job, let the public decide
     
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    the over regulation has been a failure. ie the prohibition...regulation has not.

    no i won’t i’ll fight it.

    you can still buy raw milk...just not at a grocery store
     
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    yep, the big issue for me is that they have gone too far and banned stuff people need from being OTC - just because something is OTC doesn't mean it needs to lack regulation
     
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    Does it cost the insurance companies more money to cover people with preexisting conditions? Sure.
    It's gone....
     
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    no it hasn’t changed it still cost more. all obamacare did was raise the cost on people without them, and bailout big insurance for the cost they couldn’t cover
     
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    Half the people have them, so I guess it's a break even. But at least you can get insurance.
    The nice part is 86% of Trumps best demographic has them. :)
     
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    I am not sure what are you trying say about difference between health care and health insurance, in majority of cases health problem is not people's negligence. I do not understand why they should pay more.
    If person knows what he/she needs what is point to have doctors and stiff regulations in health care?
     
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    and they can get insurance before obamacare and after
     
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    Only if they have the money. But hey. Trump has votes to burn, he can give up a few million.
     
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    Obama wanted a public option, had we got that, everyone could of choose cheaper insurance, sadly Obama did not have the votes he needed to pass it
     

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