ObamaCare unconstitutional?? lmao!

so some courts have actually ruled that obamacare is unconstitutional? What the hell are they smoking over there??

The Constitution doesn't say the government can't implement ObamaCare!!!! Nothing in the constitution even resembles anything that could be considered ObamaCare! lol

Why don't the conservatives read the constitution before they go off claiming they know what they're talking about somehow? If the conservatives honestly think that the constitution actually says that obamacare can't be law, they're more delusional than I thought.

Let the right to life and the general welfare propser! Hopefully the supreme court won't be biased and recognize the fact that nothing in the constitution says ANYTHING about obamacare!

 

What in the constitution says anything about the government mandating the civilian population has to buy something? Or where in the constitution says that the civilian population will be "taken car of" by the government?

It is also funny that the "right to life" doesn't play out for everyone in the liberal mindset.

 

Another lefty fighting a losing battle. Pitiful, ain't they?

 

no real argument brought to the table. Looks like another utter fail for the right.

 

WJ5 asked you a question. Do you have an answer?

 

Just cause you can't come up with an answer doesn't mean I failed, means you don't have any basis to your claim that it is constitutional for Obamacare.

Seems like we just have a troll here.

 

What does it matter? It doesn't say anything in the constitution saying the government can't do any of those things, so obviously they can do it.

 

You asked a question that didn't matter. It seems your the troll.

 

You're complaining about a COURT RULING. Kinda looks like you're the one who's having a hard time facing reality, eh?

Or maybe you think they'll reverse the decision when they hear you don't like it???

 

You first.

The government does not have a right to force you to buy a product. Whats next, mandating that everyone be forced to buy a car?

LOL, oh the irony.

 

What the hell kind of an argument is that? Let me clue you in, and check out how many times the word coerce is used. They can not coerce you to do anything, and that's exactly what Obama Care is...

They are coercing you into buying something, they cant do it!!

 

The Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate commerce.It does not give Congress the power to force people to engage in commerce or be fined. Which is what Obama are tries to do.

 

Yeah, thats really the problem most opponents have with it I think. The fact that it is mandatory.

 

It's like you took the words right out of me.

 

Er....... that is not how the Constitution works. It doesn't say that government cannot stone homosexuals either, does it mean that it may? No. The Constitution in literal terms is the limitation of government, when powers that are not described to the Federal government are given to the states. Healthcare is not a power given to the Federal government, so it is a state issue.

I am not against public healthcare, I am very much in favor of it, however the courts do have a point on the issue of Federally mandated healthcare.

 

Of course it may. There are no implied laws. Thats why we have a Constitution and thats why we have amendments.

Everything is legal by default unless the law (Constitution) says it is not. Its not the other way around.

 

It is the other way around, all powers not granted to the Federal government by the Constitution are given to the states. Constitutionally speaking that is.

 

I would suggest giving the 10th amendment a read.

 

Does the 10th Amendment say there are implied laws?

If not, why do i need to read it?

 

The 10th says power not granted to the Fed are granted to the state, its self explanatory.

 

LiberalActivist: If I was a liberal, I would be ashamed. According to your logic, the federal government has the right to do essentially whatever it wants, simply because it doesn't say it can't. This kind of thinking is why we are in ruin and why the government is taking over our lives.

 

The health care bill requires citizens of the United States to have health care. This is an infringes on the freedoms of United States citizens, because it forces them to do something. Therefore it is at least implicitly unconstitutional.

This is not to argue that there should be no health care reform.

 

Health Care Reform must happen with less intervention, not more. The current system is a mess, but more government is not the answer.

 

The interesting thing about the US Constitution is that is not is written like any other in existence. Most Liberal Democracies (like those in Europe) have Constitutions - and they lay out what the Government CAN do. They explicitly list your rights and the general thought is unless its explicitly not given the authority to do something - it is understood that it can.

The US Constitution (you'll be hard pressed to find a Constitutional scholar who disagrees with this) is more about what the Government CANT do. Specifically look at the first 10 amendments also known as the Bill of Rights:

1) Congress shall make no law...
2) ...the right of the epople to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
3) No soldier shall...
4) ...shall not be violated...
5) No person shall....
6) ...the accused shall enjoy...
7) ...the right of trial by jury shall be preserved...
Excessive bail shall not be required
9) The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
10) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Note how nearly ever single one is about what the government can't do, and the 10th says "Oh yeah, and if we forgot anything else, you can't do that either".

For one to make a Constitutional argument in the US (and yes, again this is unique to the US) you must show where in the Constitution your law is authorized. The argument that "It doesn't say I can't" doesn't fly in US law - explicitly because of the 10th amendment.

Cliff Notes - The 10th amendment says "Oh yeah, and if we forgot about anything else, you can't do that either."

 

I can't wait to hear the Roberts Court take this case up, I'm going to pay very very close attention to it. When they pass a very narrow and strict interpretation of the Commerce Clause, liberal heads all over America will explode and I'll be there to see it. Can't wait to hear Krugman's rant.

Hopefully it will lead to a few liberal emigrations.