Obama's Betrayal of Israel and Arming of Iran

I suspect they are the same people.... There is a lot were are learning.. and God knows Arabia has plenty of geologists. There huge evidence for Ubar and the domestication of horses.. climate change.. and migration..

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Genetic testing has conclusively proven that Hebrews turned Jews and the people now known as Arabs are descended from the same ancient ancestors thus they are the same people.

Iran is different.

Iran really is upon the precipice of throwing off their current and hatted by the vast majority of Iranians....repressive Islamic regime and I would say Democracy in Iran is just 5 to 7 years away as by then the vast majority of the Old Iranian Religious Guard will have died off.

If for some reason the Old Guard holds on to power and does not live up to it's Nuclear agreements....the United States will without a shred of doubt remove all Iranian Nuclear capability.

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Why it is so difficult to understand: I just asked a reference to nationality "palestinians" before 1968, not arabs.
If you don't know the answer, here it is:

That's all.

 

How can they be the same when they existed in parallel at the same time and ever since ?

 

Simple.. they were Arabs who lived in Palestine.. They were called Palestinians in 1950 when so many of them worked in Arabia... both Christians and Muslims.

 

Arabs were identified long before anyone was called Apiru or Israelite ..

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/201203/discovery.at.al-magar.htm

Al Magar is very old... 9,000 years.. The Marsh Arabs have been in Iraq for 6,000 years.

And the Bible references them ...

You have Petra and Madain Saleh.. The Naboteans



There's Tayma or Tema in the Bible.

There's the south Arabian Tanukh tribe who migrated from Yemen after the Marib dam was breached. They settled first in Bahrain, where they formed a confederation, and then moved into Iraq.

And they Arabs were trading with Egypt and the Levant at the time of Solomon.

 

It doesn't matter, how thay were called in Arabia. In Israel Jews, arrived from Russia, are called russians.
Important, that some people in Palestine started to call themselves palestinians, claiming their rights over all Palestine.

 

They lived in Palestine and Americans called them Palestinians when they came to work in Arabia..


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...arly-humans-left-science-climate-stone-tools/

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I think you will enjoy this article from National Geographic.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/01/110127-out-of-africa-earlier-early-humans-left-science-climate-stone-tools/

 

The piece you queted proves there was a human civilization at that area, probebly the Arab ancestors, it doesnt identify Arabs as a tribe or a nation, we all can trace our links to when man was a monkey purely by the fact we are alive but it doesnt mean the national identity was fromed back then,

Im never mentioned Apiru or Habiru, their links to Israelites is questioned anyway, Israel as a ppl is first mentioned in an Egyptian monolith dated 1200 BC, so your comment is simply wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

 

There is more up to date information on the Merneptah_Stele ... If I can find it.. The Arabs were considered Apiru and some Apiru became Israelites.

 

Judge your own history the way you judge others please : if its not etched in stone, no proof it existed.

 

I can only trace my family back to the war of the roses.

Archeologist know that people moved into the Levant from the north and from the south.... The Arabians were driven by climate change.

From the Library of Congress 1992.

Generous rainfall in Yemen enabled the people to feed themselves, while the exports of frankincense and myrrh brought wealth to the area. As a result, civilization developed to a relatively high level in southern Arabia by about 1000 B.C. The peoples of the area lived in small kingdoms or city states of which the best known is probably Saba, which was called Sheba in the Old Testament. The prosperity of Yemen encouraged the Romans to refer to it as Arabia Felix (literally, "happy Arabia"). Outside of the coastal areas, however, and a few centers in the Hijaz associated with the caravan trade, the harsh climate of the peninsula, combined with a desert and mountain terrain, limited agriculture and rendered the interior regions difficult to access. The population most likely subsisted on a combination of oasis gardening and herding, with some portion of the population being nomadic or seminomadic.

The material conditions under which the Arabs lived began to improve around 1000 B.C.

 

.......and ?

The evidence that leads you think Israelites were in fact Arab tribes is ?....

 

Because of the Nabateans for one thing.. They were all over the Levant by 1000 BC... and because the Arabian Peninsula went thru some dramatic climate changes.. During several points it was well watered and people moved into the Arabian Peninsula.. and then the reverse was true when the land became arid.

The Canaanites were probably Arabs or a mixed people. The Midienites and Amorites were Arabs.. Abraham had and Arab wife according to scripture and so did Moses.

http://nabataea.net/arabia.html

This is history ... not perfectly accurate I would guess.. but gives you a good overview of the Nabateans.

 

I've had about enough, he is our President, salute or get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the way. None of us are privy to classified intelligence so wtf do you guys know?

 

Ol' Abe is not a good example, the story tells he came from a diffrent part from where Arabs dwelled, you also dont consider that Arab ancestors were not the only ppl that lived in the area, I ackowledge they did exist but to jump from that to say they were the only one existed is without base and I think not very logical.

Migrations of stone aged ppl is a bit too far, they can help decide what origin the first nations were made of but we are in the "politics" business so we need to focus on nationalities and their origins, there is no finding to prove Arabs as a nation preceeded the Israelites, there are records that prove both existed at the same time and were seperated by their nationalities.

 

According to the story .. Abraham came from UR.. near modern day Basra. The Israelites weren't a nation either. Like the Arabs, they were a tribe.

All the tribes carried their gods with them in boxes on litters.

The Canaanites were well established.. not necessarily nomadic and remained on the land even after the Israelites showed up in the hill country.. The Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula also settled in the hill country.. Those who were Bedu had to settle. .. they had counted on symbiotic relationships with various towns, villages and oases for grain, dates, etc. and that was no longer available to them.

I think it is also worth remembering that Jews often had foreign wives...

I think we are both looking at this thru the wrong lens... While they had different religions at some point... The Arabs .. including Arab Christians didn't have a problem with the Jews.. However, they were traumatized by Zionism and the influx of Europeans.

 

Delta, SAS, and Mossad come at us bro!

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Can you address my arguments?

You should attack the message, not the messenger.

 

That is an idiotic statement, Arabs were already mentioned in the Old Testament.

 

Arabs (be they Christians, Muslims or even Jews) are genetically very similar.

But Ashkenazi (mainly the descendants of Khazars and Slavs who converted to Judaism in the 10th century AD) are genetically very different.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=331762&page=68&p=1063417666#post1063417666

 

Well, it goes without saying that native people are the true owners of the land, not the invaders from Russia who believe that they are the descendants of Hebrews who presumably lived there 2000 years ago.

 

How can they be when they don't live there?

 

Well, they have the right to return to their homes, according to the international law.

The international law supports Palestinians, not the invaders.

Today the USA (controlled by Zionists) prevents the implementation of the international law and de facto supports further land theft, but this illegal situation cannot last forever.

The law will eventually prevail.

 

So how long ago do you date the OT?