OBE evidence that driving a plane into a tall building is bad theology!???

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  1. DennisTate

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    Dr. P. M. H. Atwater had three near death experiences in 1977!

    She claims to have done an out of body experience and travelled to the scene of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.

    What she saw could inspire people to begin to question the wisdom of taking religion to a place where it justifies violence!



    http://www.near-death.com/atwater/september11/index.html#two
     
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    If you think this topic has promise to perhaps cause a potential terrorist to rethink what they are planning.... you might want to comment into this related topic as well:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=334081
    Do you believe a "Soul Wave" formed September 11- 13, 2001? I do!
     
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    Well, we better dump Judaism and Christianity then....

    "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel ..."---1 Samuel 15:3
     
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    Ever read anything from the Koran?
     
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    One of the most encouraging writings where quotations from the Koran were featured was "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land." I got the impression from this amazing writing that all Christians and Jews who are being led by the Holy Spirit...… are considered to be Muslims by Islamic Mystics and Sufi Muslims....... in the same token........ all Muslims who are being led by the Holy Spirit should be considered to be Christians.... by all Christians who have came to the place where we recognize that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had a genuine encounter with the G-d of Abraham/YHWH/Allah and the Arch-angel Gabriel...…

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land



    I read this intriguing plan for peace in the Middle East twice already! It is about fifty pages and well worth your time to consider!


    http://www.godspeaceplan.org/

    (Scroll down to the link: Click Here to Download Your Copy of the Peace Plan).




    http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html
     
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    Good point Gorn Captain. There are some pretty hard to understand judgments made in the Jewish Bible…….. and Rabbi Yeshua/ Jesus spoke more often about a higher space - time dimensional prison environment than any other Biblical writer!
     
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    Yes....... when somebody goes up to one of the levels of Moshiach Consciousness.... as King Saul, King David and King Solomon all did...............… as more of the Holy Spirit is poured out and somebody else hits what I believe is an even higher level of consciousness..... this other person will be seen as an anti-Moshiach by people who are desperate to find another King Saul and/or King David and/or King Solomon type of leader?!

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov

    "Disparage no book, for it is also a part of the world."

    "Know! You need to judge every person favorably, even someone who is completely wicked, you need to search and find any little bit of good. By finding in him a little good and judging him favorably you actually bring him over to the side of merit and you can return him in teshuva "(LM 282)
    (Rabbi Nachman of Breslov)
     
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    Also..... apparently there are Islamic prophecies that correspond extremely well with Isaiah chapter 35.


    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+35&version=CEB;NLT;CEV;MSG;NKJV
    "Even the wilderness and desert will be glad in those days.
    The wasteland will rejoice and blossom with spring crocuses."

    ............."Springs will gush forth in the wilderness,
    and streams will water the wasteland.
    7 The parched ground will become a pool,
    and springs of water will satisfy the thirsty land."
     
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    Actually………….. the Word/ Logos in his glorified form sure does want us to come up to a higher level of consciousness than the people of Israel had 1900 to 3500 years ago!

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/christianity01.html#a09
    …….
     
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    Charlatans and mountebanks will never fail to try and make a buck on some catastrophic event.
     
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    After 24 years of studying NDE accounts I have the strong impression that Dr. P. M. H. Atwater is for real. Her three near death experiences back in 1977 would account for her ability to control the out of body state of consciousness.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research11.html
    Out-of Body Experiences and the Near-Death Experience
     
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    Dennis, at this point I think you believe that Near-Death Experiences can cure acne and give you an inside track on who's going to win the 2015 Super Bowl.

    :)
     
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    Correct!

    I am at this time convinced that the Being of Light who reviews lives with people is none other than Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in the glorified state that he had with the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit before the world was.......... there is no way that Adam and Lilith or Eve would have acne previous to their fall!


    John 17:5


    "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."


    John 5:22


    "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"
    ......

    Yes....... a near death experience will make you psychic which can give you a vision of who won the SuperBowl in at least one branch of time......… which is not a one hundred percent indicator of who will win in this branch of time.... but it is a good indicator......…

    I strongly suspect that there either already is........ or eventually will be branches of time in which Mr. Al Gore will win the 2000 election..... and I do hope and pray that he figures out the down side to negating Global Dimming too quickly??!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...2000-election-but-negates-global-dimming.html

    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....



    I personally loved the film "An Inconvenient Truth." I have watched it four or five times at least. It played a huge role in my deciding to join a political party that takes climate change very seriously.

    Largely due to his film I actually put in two submissions for The Virgin Earth Challenge.

    I do have one criticism for his film though..... the diplomacy quotient was extremely low and America is more divided than ever partly because of the flavor of his film. ..............


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml
    Global Dimming
    ..............

    http://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

     
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    Okay, so who's going to the Super Bowl, and who will win and what's the point spread?

    Or do I need Kiefer Sutherland, Julia Roberts, and Oliver Platt to stop my heart to find out?
     
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    I have never had a near death experience myself and I am not particularly psychic……… just a big fan of the phenomena.

    If you live near a place where jet fighter pilots are trained………….

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html
    The Trigger of Extreme Gravity: Dr. James Winnery's NDE Research

    …
     
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    Sorry…… after taking twenty minutes to meditate and to think this over Gorn Captain…. .the way for you to go would be "Extreme Meditation." (Could it be that I connected to my higher self and brought down wisdom from a higher dimension….. am I becoming somewhat psychic just from reading about these)???????!

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers08.html
    The Trigger of Extreme Meditation: Joni Maggi's Near-Death Experience

    One near death experiencer has devised a way to assist a new person to duplicate a NDE through meditation.

    http://www.thomastwin.com/10 A Background to Silence.html
    The Google version of his book has about a hundred pages that can be read for free….. I read them….. and have been attempting to do this when I first wake up in the morning……… His second book is my number one all time favourite NDE account.
     
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    I have to admit....... that both Jewish as well as Christian scriptures can also be almost as easily misunderstood as the Koran?!
     
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    Or.... we can all come to have a better grasp of
    the implications of Progressive Revelation........
    and how it would tend to modify our application of certain ancient scriptures.
     
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    This is rather relevant again to some other discussions.....
     
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    I would prefer MSM for acne......
    but near death experience accounts tend to make religious people... more spiritual... and less religious.......
    more loving and less angry,........
    which can alter the whole formula.
     
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