Observations during my lifetime so far...

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Can you explain how that was possible since the letter J wasn't created until 1524 when it was added to the Italian language and it was first used in an English language book in 1633?

    You may want to stop relying upon silly Hollywood movies for your education.
     
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    Simple. You are either ignorant of or denying etymology.

    English was not the language spoken at the time... Same with Italian...

    The name Jesus is ultimately derived from the Hebrew (Old Testament) name Yeshua. Yeshua translated into English is Joshua. However, Yeshua translated into Koine Greek (New Testament) is Iēsous, which translated into English is Jesus.

    Yeshua/Iēsous (and correspondingly Joshua and Jesus), means "Yahweh saves" or "the LORD is salvation". There was a reason why Jesus was given the name that he was given...
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever read the fairy tale? ALL of the main characters have "English" names. A couple of con men made up the name Jesus from thin air in 1630 or so.
     
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    Church of No God religious fundamentalism. Yes, I have read through The Bible.

    ... and all of the text is in English as well. That is called a language. The text contained in English Bibles has been translated from manuscripts that were written in other languages, namely Hebrew and Greek, as I have already explained.

    No, you are simply denying etymology, language, and history.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are they your experiences, or how you perceive things?

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    Projection, projection! What shall I do!
    For how can I tell if your words are true
    when all I can see is myself in you.
    - Jeannette


     
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    In Greek He was called; O ιησούς (Jesus) from the time of His Resurrection in 33AD.
     
  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What I meant was that the name O ιησούς was known in the immediate world from the time of the Resurrection.
     
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    @Dr.Phibes I would like to mention I don't believe in god.

    The main problem that I have with your main point, is that you claim that you have a problem with "religions", when apparently you may have mainly frequented protestant churches, maybe catholic. So basically, you make general points about religions when you have only knowledge about (protestant) christianity. Have you any notion on Sikhism for instance ?

    -Religion is the true evil on this planet. Without it, this planet would not have most of the problems it has :
    Here is a bunch of problems that haven't been caused by religion : Nazism, communism are the main one. Both have organized tremenduous genocides. Does it excuse the problem you met into christianity ? No. However, considering it's the "true evil" is from my point of view, at best naive.
    Many problems have been caused by greed, ignorance, pride, apathy problems that aren't related specifically to religion. Some people may feel pride because of their religion, but may also feel pride for various reasons : skin color, nationality and so on.

    Not named police, but yes they had force orders, and emperors had pretty gruesome way to deal with troublemaker, crucifixion iso ne.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dr. Phibes, I don't think you understand Christianity. It is not an established order with a set of rules to follow. It is a person's growth, or non growth towards uniting with the Divine in His realm. How can you make a judgement towards a whole group, when each person within that group is at a different level of perfection, depending on the extent of Grace within them?

    The purpose of a Church is to facilitate a person's growth so that they can become more pure and God-like.. How much they do of course is up to them.


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    Get it through your head: All Hebrew and Greek language Bibles are translations from the original Latin language Bible. You can't produce an authentic original Hebrew or Greek language Bible written before the year 700 AD for all of the gold in the universe. That is because the Bible didn't exist before 680 AD. And all of the Greek Bibles are written in the Modern Greek alphabet.
     
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    Don't you know that is a fake? It is written in the Modern Greek alphabet = O ιησούς = most of those letters did not exist when the Jesus character was supposedly getting resurrected.
     
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    Stop being ridiculous. Here is an ancient Greek inscription on the Celcus Library, Ephesus, Izmir, and below it is the modern Greek alphabet. I see no difference in the alphabets, do you?

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    Here is the modern Greek alphabet:

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    Here are the manuscripts that are known to exist up to the 3rd century. There might be others in the Monasteries of Mount Athos or Saint Catherina at Sinai that haven't been found.

    Manuscript Contents Language Date

    Papyrus P32 Titus Greek 2nd-3rd Century
    Papyrus P46 Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, Hebrews Greek 2nd-early 3rd Century
    Papyrus P66 Gospel of John Greek 2nd-3rd Century
    Papyrus P77 Gospel of Matthew Greek 2nd-3rd Century
    Papyrus P103 Gospel of Matthew Greek 2nd-3rd Century
    Majuscule GA0189 Acts of the Apostles Greek 2nd-3rd Century


    https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/15/the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts/
     
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  13. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    The passage written in stone is written in the Modern Greek alphabet.

    The letter "theta" is written in the Modern Greek alphabet. And so is the letter "sigma."

    If you have good eyesight, compare the letters on your stones to the letters on this chart that shows the various Greek alphabets =https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/b9/59/1cb9599c464d9c02a414deda62943605.png You can see that the stones are written with the Modern Greek alphabet instead of in one of the ancient regional Greek alphabets.

    When looking at inscriptions written on stones you should only use those that are specifically dated. When you do that you will see that authentic First Century Greek language stones are not written in the Modern Greek alphabet.
     
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    What a weird, bitter, negative spin on religion. Like any human construct it depends on how its used. It can suffer from all the human foibles but after thousands of years of use its utility has proven itself or it would have been discarded. 80% of the US follows a religion. They are largely good people seeking companionship, social support and guidance, who are encouraged to do good works. Human nature is tribal which causes us to mistrust the intentions of the "other". The religious and the non-religious can fall prey to that, if you catch my drift.
     
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    Just to let you know that I've been to Greece many times, and I can read the ancient inscriptions.

    Anyway, the The modern Greek alphabet came into use around 400 BC during the Classical period. It is the same alphabet that is used in Greece today.

    Many local variants of the Greek alphabet were employed in ancient Greece during the archaic and early classical periods, until they were replaced by the classical 24-letter alphabet that is the standard today, around 400 BC.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_Greek_alphabets#Old_Attic
     
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    That is not an accurate statement.
     
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    How about a little history. The Lingua Franca at the time of Christ was Greek - it was not Latin. This is why the New Testament was written in Greek. Many of the Israeli towns were Greek, and all educated Romans spoke Greek, so that when Pontius Pilate Spoke to Jesus, the only language they could have communicated in was Greek.

    Before the advent of Christ, a Rabbi in the Greek city of Alexandria wanted the OT translated into Greek to edify the Jews living there. So 70 highly educated Rabbis were asked to translate it separately, and each translation was exactly the same as the other. It was considered a miracle. This is the same translation of the OT that the Orthodox Churches use today.

     
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    As I've said before, the Bible as a book did not exist in any language before the committee wrote three master copies in the 680s-early 690s. And they wrote it in Latin, which is why the Catholic church preached in Latin for centuries.

    You couldn't find a legitimate, original copy of the Bible in any language before the committee wrote it in Latin. There might have been pieces of scrolls floating around but they were not the Bible. All of the Greek Bible copies are simply translations of the Latin. Your folklore stories sound good but they are fiction and have no basis in reality.

    Remember, religion is about selling the lie and the smoke, not the truth and reality.

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    No. These are scientific theories. These are current best guesses based on the data we have and research that has been done. These are at best incomplete and quite possibly completely false, and subject to revision as more data comes in and more research is done, attempting to objectively disprove these theories. Those who do show former understanding to be wrong are credited. You can gain aporoval by proving yourself wrong. You are encouraged to always be questioning and doubting.

    Science is a quest for knowledge, and how we ought to behave or act on that knowledge (or perceived knowledge) is not science.

    Religion is quite the opposite on all counts. You are to have faith, not question, not seek to disprove, but to obey. Religion has codes of ethics you are to follow, bribes and punishments to push you to submit. Apostasy and Heresy and disbelief are punished, often with extreme prejudice and violence. Group think and authoritarianism are often encouraged.

    Some individuals who push say climate change do have a religious sense about it. Woke polotics shows many elements of a religion. So did Hitler and Stalin's regimes. It doesnt have to be God centred to be religion, but not everything is religion and science itself is not religion.
     
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    No, those are all religious theories. No science is involved.

    Science is not a "best guess". Science is a set of falsifiable models that predict nature. None of those theories are falsifiable.

    What "data" are you referring to? "The data" is a meaningless buzzword.

    What "research"? "The research" is a meaningless buzzword.

    ... as they are just religious beliefs, not science...

    Not how science works. If a falsifiable theory is falsified, then it is completely and utterly destroyed. You are speaking of people revising their religious beliefs.

    Not how science works.

    Religious theories cannot be disproven. Only falsifiable theories can be disproven.

    No. Science is a set of falsifiable models that predict nature.

    Correct. There is no "ought to" or "should be" in science.

    Correct, religion always has a faith basis.

    Not a rule in religion.

    Religion, by definition, cannot be disproven (or proven).

    Religion does not always require an "entity" to "obey".

    Not always.

    With regard to FUNDAMENTALISM, yes... Not with regard to religion in and of itself.

    No, they ALL have a religious sense about it. It is a religious belief based on an undefined buzzword.

    This is correct.
     
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