Ocasio-Cortez Slams Fellow Dems Who Backed ‘Gotcha Amendment’ In Gun Bill

Do you know that background checks include identifiable features of the person ?

 

YES.

 

To purchase a firearm, you need a photo ID.
The FFL holder (or employees of same) looks at the photo ID, checks the picture against the person in front of him, the name, the address on the ID and compares it to the information on the 4473.
If they match, he calls or logs into the NICS, enters the relevant information from the 4473 and waits.
That's it. The information sent to the NICS comes off the 4473, not the photo ID.

Unless the ID is -obviously- a fake, it will pass muster.

 

Because.....Let me guess....Liberal politicians have conspired to engineer these conditions because of their deep hate for America...Right?

 

Sandy Hook, Tree Of Life, Virginia Tech, San Bernardino, The Florida High School, Las Vegas.....Those people were all killed with assault weapons....Does that count as reality? These so called assault weapons are very popular with crazy people who want to kill a late sum of people in a short time. I am not in favor of an all out ban for these kinds of weapons but it would be nice to divide a way to keep them out of the hands of lunatics and killers.

 

No. They're greedy, narcissistic social climbers. Their not bright enough to engineer a society you see, but exploiting a society of hicks is really quite easy. Buy million dollar paintings and $10 text books ... not rocket science OK.

 

I agree that we have a society of hicks and hopeless dupes. All you have to do is look at the two top vote getters in the last presidential election. Out of half a billion people, those were the top picks... Hicks indeed rule both of these idiotic sell out political parties.

 

The Virginia Tech incident was committed with two handguns, each with magazines limited to ten rounds of ammunition.

Unless the argument being presented on the part of yourself is that all semi-automatic firearms constitute so-called "assault weapons" without differentiation.

 

That’s probably why he didn’t have as good of a kill rate.

 

Virginia Tech, committed with two handguns and magazines limited to ten rounds each, yielded thirty two deaths, not counting the perpetrator.

Sandy Hook, committed with an AR-15 rifle and magazines capable of holding thirty rounds of ammunition, yielded twenty seven deaths, not counting the perpetrator.

Tree of Life, committed with an AR-15 rifle and magazines capable of holding thirty rounds of ammunition, yielded eleven deaths.

San Bernadino, committed with an AR-15 rifle and magazines capable of holding thirty rounds of ammunition, among other weapons, yielded fourteen deaths.

Stoneman Douglas, committed with an AR-15 rifle and magazines capable of holding thirty rounds of ammunition, yielded seventeen deaths.

Is the matter being understood yet? The narrative being presented on the part of yourself simply does not match the present facts of the matter. The individual armed with nothing more than two handguns, produced a significantly higher body count than those who committed their mass shootings with rifles and magazines of far greater capacity.

 

I'm an (I) and 3rd party ... so ain't happening. When the parties will come to their senses and nominate centerist who represent the silent majority, instead of the boisterous fringe, IDK. Fixing immigration and health care would make the fringes a lot less attractive IMO. Health care is the only appeal extreme leftys have ... for rightys it's immigration. Both are real issues that have centerist solutions, and centerists who resolve those issues will be the most popular 2020 candidates IMO. Budget's coming up, maybe centerists will emerge.

 

I am also one of the non hicks who voted for Johnson/Weld last cycle. Bill Weld just announced he is running against Trump. I will support him in the GOP primary if he lasts that long and hope that the Democrats will find a suitable candidate also. They seem to have a few reasonably intelligent and honest people running this time. I am hopeful that we can change our government into a more people friendly and effective.

 

Anyone who challenges Trump better have legislation drafted and ready for introduction day 1. Trump has a record to run on, and his economics are real strong. He's charismatic and all the (D)'s conservatives hate most passionately, all despise Trump. That makes him more popular than his economics.

 

I am sure that both Governor Weld and whoever the Dems run will have an agenda to present the voters. Trump’s record thus far is very thin. He signed a tax bill which is a typical GOP giveaway to billionaires and international corporations and has done little else besides blowing smoke about immigration. He has not started any idiotic wars like Cheney/Bush which is also a plus. If he ends our involvement in Middle East war zones that would also be a plus. If the economy remains strong he will be tough to beat, but if there is any kind of recession he could be easy to beat.

 

Well how many newly employed voters will vote for Trump is anyone's guess ... but there are potentially 4 million grateful votes out there. That's just a fact, and a 3 million vote margin that's misplaced, is no margin at all. (D)'s haven't abolished the EC. Trump's quoting the individual states record on job creation at every states campaign rally for a reason, a good reason.

 

Do you not know how NICS checks work?

 

I would bet that all of the Democratic candidates will craft a message designed to get votes in the only states that really count this time. Whoever gets the nomination will spend almost all of their time and money in getting out their voters in Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. That’s where Trump won his narrow victories which won him the electoral college last time and that’s where the 2020 race will be won. It is very early in the process right now. Hillary Clinton’s campaign was overconfident and ineffective last time. I would expect Trumps opponent to be much tougher this time. Bernie Sanders could do well with the old union working class voters in those states. Right now he’s the front runner. I think if the Dems would have run him last time they would have won.

 

Trump's never stopped campaigning there. He has a grassroots network there. Not impossible to beat, but difficult for sure.

 

I'm sorry, but every single one of the above incidents (except perhaps Las Vegas; which even the most ardent gun control advocates in Congress admit no law would have prevented) would have been prevented by proper security measures. They were not in place because people chose to bury their heads in the sand and refused to allow such measures to be implemented. Then, a nut job inflicts carnage and the sheeple want to blame the instrument the nut job used.

Idiocy.

Hell, the guy in New Zealand even said in his manifesto that he chose guns to launch his attack for the very reason that he hoped New Zealand would respond by banning guns.... and they gave him EXACTLY what he wanted.

 

You would need to prove the Constitution extends beyond American borders, I do not need to prove anything. Your claims are simply false...

 

I have not made an assertion one way or the other on that issue. Here was my post.
"The language of second amendment does not distinguish between a foreign national and an American citizen so you can blame it for the assault rifles getting into those hands. More accurately you can blame those literal- interpretation- of- the- words types conservatives so love. Either you support the bill treating all the people who may be included in a militia like M-13, the same, or you oppose its 'chilling affect' on the people and their right to defend themselves consistent with that 'Congress shall make no law...' phrase. Pick.. " Now considering 1. I have not stated my opinion on the scope or reach of the second amendment in this thread. 2. I have not offered one on whether undocumented persons have a right to assault rifles. 3. I have never been one of those 'literal interpretation of the words' conservatives, I am not trapped in those constraints. .

 

Totally false, you need get an education as to what a assault rifle is before posting such nonsense going forward.

 

Not a single one of those incidents involved an assault weapon, you simply have no idea of what you are talking about other than to parrot media talking points.

 

Willful ignorance is hard to fix.

 

In the case of the Parkland shooting both the Broward County School Board and the former Sherriff Scott Israel are now under investigation for diverting grant money that was supposed to be used to harden schools like MSD in Parkland, but the money was laundered through the BSO and then used to fund a diversion program to prevent students from getting a criminal record.

One student who was facing a aggravated battery charge was sent to the diversion program, never attended it and was allowed back into school where his mental health issues where never addressed, eventually he got kicked out of school, but still no help.

This young mans mother passed when he was 17 and his mental health really began getting out of hand, he was literally screaming for help and committing criminal acts to get attention but no one, not the BCSB, nor the Henderson Clinic, nor the FBI, nor the BSO who responded to his home many times took the time to get this kid the help he so badly needed.

One morning he lost it and took an Uber to MSD and fulfilled his wish to be the greatest mass shooter of all time.

Parkland shooter Nikolas Jacob Cruz

A perfect example if there ever was one of why gun control laws will never work.