Officer who shot Minnesota man reacted to gun, not race, lawyer says

News relating to the shooting of Philando Castile in Minnesota....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/0...-man-reacted-to-gun-not-race-lawyer-says.html

So now we know there was a gun involved. This would explain why the officer, who is Latino, yelled "I told him not to reach for it", and why he seems so intense in the video, and why he didn't want the female to move her hands.

 

he looks a little like a gangster to me even thou he had a good work record and grades in high school where straight A,s he was a rebel PUNK of sorts and lack of authority
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/phila...ube-police-shooting-man-shot-lavish-reynolds/

 

Wow ... Way to throw a police officer under the bus before you know what you're talking about. What a disgrace! What a sorry excuse for a leader of the state ...

 

Barney Fife reacted to the motorist being black and he was scared too!
The so called officer or thug with a badge is trying to save his hide!
If Barney Fife gets off,I will be surprised?!!

 

yeah its is his bio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dayton rockefeller.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alida_Rockefeller_Messinger

 

yah cant get any NWOish then that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dayton

looks like he still hates cop too because of this

 

What dies the fact that the officer is allegedly Latino gave to do with anything?

 

Parking violations! Isn,t that punishable by the death sentence???

 

Ok so that apparently is the officer,s story. Now we need a seasoned police officer to let us if what that officer did assuming the officer is telling the truth, was the proper way to handle this situation.

 

dah but i am showing a pattern of don't give a crap and his EGO must of been HUGE after geting straight A,s in highschool so he thought who is this mexican cop going to tell me what to do..as to freeze don't go for the id next to MY pistol. his cocky wise ass EGO got him dead, not the lame parking tickets..

 

Hiw do you know what the guy was thinking? BTW IBwas obviously bring sarcastic about the parking tickets.

 

It's a difficult situation. Consider these two scenarios:

Scenario 1: You see a guy whom you know has a gun, reach into his pocket and pull something out. You're not sure if it is a gun - but it looks like it could be a gun. You make a split second decision - you decide it is a gun, and you shoot the guy before he can shoot you. Turns out - you were right - it was a gun. You are a hero.

Scenario 2: You see a guy whom you know has a gun, reach into his pocket and pull something out. You're not sure if it is a gun - but it looks like it could be a gun. You make a split second decision - you decide it is a gun, and you shoot the guy before he can shoot you. Turns out - you were wrong - it wasn't a gun. You are declared a racist killer.

Of course, both scenarios 1 and 2, the cop is doing EXACTLY the same thing. Only difference - in one scenario, he got lucky, and the other, he was unlucky. I don't think it's fair to call cops racist, simply for doing their job, in a scenario where they would have been called a hero, had they been luckier.

 

If thus guy graduated college in 1969 that would make him 68 69 years old. Does he look 69 years old to you???

 

i can read wise ass large EGOS minds easily

 

ah i was referring to Minnesota Governor dayton

https://www.google.com/search?clien...ved=0ahUKEwjNhdXx--fNAhUXzWMKHf31DHAQvwUIGygA

 

It shouldn't have anything to do with it. It should only have to do with what happened. But there is a national discussion going on based on the premise that white police officers are wantonly shooting unarmed black men for no justifiable reason, and this incident is being held up as an example of that. Now we know that Castile was armed, and we know the officer involved is a member of a minority group himself. It's unfortunate that the race of the officer is soooo important to everyone lately, and in their zeal to condemn the police, in particular white police officers, they aren't waiting for any facts.

Partizan, I will talk about it with you if you want, but only as a hypothetical situation. We still don't know enough about the Castile case to draw definitive conclusions.

 

If you are familiar at all with my posts you will see that I have never accused a cop of racism.

I heard a retired NYC detective give his opinion on this case. The detective said that he felt that the wise procedure would have been if he cop thought that the guy had a gun that the cop should have backed away keeping his gun up and targeted. When he got a sufficient dustancecaway call for backup.

I do not know what the operating procedure if in MN. I also believe that the way the retired NYC Cop said it should be fond puts more burden on the cop.

I also need to mention again that there was a child in the car and a passenger. If the cop suspected that the guy hatched the description of a wanted robbery suspect would it not have been even wiser to have called for backup after telling the laze get to remove herself and the child from the car. Tell the guy go stay in place not move.

That way we could decrease the likelihood of the child and/ passenger getting hurt.

 

as you know the Vietcong use children as decoys shelds and grenade throwers in to gi barracks ,so you can give the officer him that cover break if the suspect was reaching for a gun, you can't out run a 9mm bullet

 

Agree that we do not know all about this case. True that groups such as BLM aka White Lives Don,t Matter and that blithering liar/idiot Al Sharpton are saying that White officers are shooting Blacks as if it was a shooting gallery at the states fair. On the surface based on raw results it appears to be so. I say appears.

Now the truth is somewhere in between the BLM extremists and your right yahoo apologists who have heard of a case of a cop shooting someone that they didn,t love.

There are some cases lately that gave set the population up to take extreme sides. The 12 year kids shot in Cleveland was poor procedures by the coos who should have approached the kid from further away and at a slower pace to determine if the kid really had a gun. I mean stand off at a " safe" dustance.

That Chicago case of 16 rounds pumped into an unarmed guy. Not good PR.

The Michael Brown case I feel that Brown did try to attack thst officer and Brown did just hours before assault an innocent person.


IMO the case thst really destroyed Black people,s faith in cops and the judicial system was the Zimmerman case. I know Zimmerman the walking shooting Idiot us not a cop thank God. Whether one believes that Zimmerman was fearful of Tryvon or not the fact is that Zimmerman set up the situation of controntation which lead to the killing of Tryvon. The result is that Zimmerman got away with moral murder if not in the legal sense.


Both camps need to end the knee jerk reaction of either calling every cop who shoots a Black guy a murderer and others calling every case if a black being hot by a cop as absolutely right.

Easier said than five.

 

That was the opinion of that NYC cop- retired cop.

 

You'll never read in the media that the officer who fired isn't white, will you?

 

This is sort of off topic but is intellectually in topic. Blacks did themselves a great disservice when they cheered the OJ verdict. Blacks knew that he was guilty. I have had some tell me so. They took a shirt " victory" of OJ " beating the system " fir a long term loss of legitimacy and trust. That "victory" is still costing Blacks dearly.

 

yeah and that jury makeup as i remember was a little to much black representation
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Here is the problem ... I wish to say this is all hypothetical because we don't know the facts yet. So hypothetically, the officer stops the car because he thinks the guy looks like an armed robbery suspect, and there is a gun sitting in the guy's lap. The guy claims he has a permit to carry it concealed. This would make no sense to the officer because it isn't concealed; it's in view in his lap. (I have stopped many people with CCW permits, and I have never experienced having the gun out in plain view in someone's lap.)

The officer did not know the lady in the car or the relationship between the man and the woman. And there is a child in the back seat.

So if the officer drew his gun and kept his gun trained on the suspect as he backed off to the safety of his patrol car, I ask you ... Who was he protecting? Keep in mind that an officer's first responsibility is to protect the public, not himself. His duty to himself comes second.

So once he made it back to the relative safety of the cover of his patrol car, would he not also have left the woman and the child to the mercy of the armed man? What would we say about the officer's decision to back off if this then turned into a high speed pursuit, and the woman or the child got killed in a crash? Any nightmarish final scenario you could think of - and they all happen - are now available because the officer backed off. Murder-suicide is also now available as an outcome.

Additionally, understand that an officer standing right outside the driver's door of a car pointing a gun at a suspect in the driver's seat has a significant tactical advantage over that person. The officer is close. If he shoots, he won't miss at this range. His gun is already in his hands and pointed. The officer can move; the suspect cannot. The officer is wearing body armor. Most likely, the suspect is not. The officer can position himself so that the car door and door posts make it harder for the suspect to shoot at him accurately, while the suspect has virtually no cover.

You have taken an oath to protect. You've got an armed man with a gun in his lap in a car with a woman and child. If you back off, any outcome is possible. Whatever decision you make, you live with, forever. Forever is a long time, friend.

I say, you hold him at gunpoint and order him not to move. At that point, whether he lives or dies is up to him.

If the scenario is the same, but the guy is all alone in the car, the "back off and wait for back-up" plan is a viable option.

My two cents ...

 

Just like one doctor's opinion does not make it "standard of care," one detective's opinion does not make it correct.

I dont think that what the officer did was unreasonable. Sure, there are other options, but these other options carry with them pros and cons as well. There's no correct answer in this case - we live in a culture of violence, and this will happen from time to time. It's just the way things are.

Could things have turned out differently had the officer backed away and called for backup? Sure. But that line of action could also have gotten the officer killed (ie by backing up, he is putting himself at greater danger---what if the guy pulls out a gun and starts shooting? The officer is now in an inferior position, and could be killed). What if by backing up, the officer exposes himself to traffic and gets hit by a car? So that's not really a good solution either. There are no easy answers here. If you think there are you are kidding yourself.