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  1. Independent4ever

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    He will win more SBs. KC will be dominant for years
     
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    Agree completely. Lots of BS calls on KC where some worse "offenses" by TB slid through.

    I don't think it was enough, though. KC didn't give Mahomes a pocket all night.

    Mahomes will adapt. He's 25.
     
  3. Andrew Jackson

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    He should.

    They didn't sign him to a $400 Million Contract to lead a Team that could stink up the joint like that.

    If it would have been a close loss, that would have been one thing.

    But, that kind of a blowout has to sting.

    Imagine that KC was held to 3 FGs and Mahomes didn't even get a TD Pass.

    Sure, Mahomes SHOULD get to several more Super Bowls.

    "Should" being the operative word.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are people blaming Mahomes? His receivers dropped several catcheable balls and his offensive line was pretty much AWOL.
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    As for Brady, I guess the answer to the question of whether New England's success was mostly due to Belichick or to Brady, was emphatically answered tonight.
     
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  5. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Obviously, the O-Line was decimated missing Eric Fisher.

    And, there were way too many horrible penalties by KC, especially on the secondary.

    The stuff that happened at the end of the 1H was inexcusable.

    The only chance that KC had in that game was to get an early lead and play from in front.

    When KC got into the position where they had to play from behind, they really needed the O-Line to keep TB's D-Line from teeing off on Mahomes.

    Obviously, there is a lot of blame to spread around, especially when a defending SB Champion (goes into the game as the favorite, and) lays an egg like that.

    Which, given KC's Hype (and Expectations) was a historic embarrassment to the franchise.

    Like I said, there is a lot of blame to spread around when the Entire Team lays an egg like that.

    All that said, I don't necessarily think that Mahomes should shoulder ALL of the "Blame".

    But, in a world where timing is everything (and you are only has good as your last offensive series), Mahomes picked a really horrible time to play the Worst Game of His Career.

    That is all.

    And, historically speaking, the last time that I can remember 2 Favored Teams, in the Conf.Champ.Game and SB (such as Green Bay and KC) laying 2 eggs like that was in 2016 (when favorite N.E. lost to Denver in the AFC Champ Game and then favored Carolina lost to Denver in the SB).

    Cam Newton (League MVP, hyped as the next big thing) never recovered.

    Obviously, KC (and Mahomes) should be back.

    KC is expecting a Dynasty (after they paid Mahomes $400 Million).
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are right. I'm a Panthers fan and I remember that painful game against Denver. And it is true, Cam never recovered. That fumble he didn't jump on... oh my.
     
  7. Andrew Jackson

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    Mahomes post-game presser:

     
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    Well I hadn't followed the season, so I can't say for sure what I might have expected, but did no one consider the TB home field advantage? Plus Tom Brady, who has a way of winning in these pressure situations. I think those would have been two salient facts in my calculus.

    (Oh, and Gronkowski-- who I already thought highly of-- is the only player that stood out, in the quarter that I watched, as the kind of player who populated football's glory days, before the league began expanding beyond, I think it was, 26 teams.)
     
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  9. Andrew Jackson

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    Andy Reid, inexcusable clock management by calling timeouts at end of 2nd Half.

    https://clutchpoints.com/chiefs-new...ady-bucs-score-late-half-td-in-super-bowl-55/

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...ck-decision-kills-chiefs-triggers-eagles-fans

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/andy-reid...tonio-brown-td-before-halftime-014737164.html

    Those timeouts CANT happen.

    After what saw on Sunday, it seems like a miracle that Andy Reid EVER Won the SB.

    The guy has a way of choking off (and finding a way to.lose) big games.

    Before last year he was 0-5 in Conference Championship Games, including 3 straight Champ Game losses (with the Eagles).

    As horribly as the Chiefs played in the 1st Half, they had a chance to go in at halftime only down one score (and receiving the 2nd Half Kickoff).

    Instead, Reid calls timeouts and blows the game.

    It is a good thing (for Reid) that Reid is signed long-term.
    It makes it harder to fire him.
     
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    Loser: Patrick Mahomes

    Mahomes lost for the second time to Brady in the postseason, and the Chiefs won't have an easy road back to the Super Bowl in an AFC that is flush with franchise-quarterback talent that includes Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield. More could be on the way in the 2021 NFL Draft with Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields, and even the Bengals have hope with the return of Joe Burrow.

    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...dy-patrick-mahomes/1hn3x93z2yk741oiqg1isx9ddu

    As of NOW (in the aftermath of (considering the expections) one of the biggest choke jobs in history)--Patrick Mahomes Legacy is that of a Loser.

    Maybe next year he gets back to the SB, maybe he doesn't.

    But, in the world of "what have you done for us, lately" --Mahomes is a Loser.

    If this is the way that he handles the post-season after going 14-2, he is probably going to have to go 16-0 (Next Year) just to get his respect back.
     
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    I wonder if the Chiefs are even going to get Fisher back before 2022?

    Achilles can take a year to heal.

    Fisher’s injury may also impact the Chiefs’ offseason decisions. Recovery can take up to a year, which may put his availability to start the 2021 season in doubt.

    It is probably for the best that he doesn't return in 2021.

    The Chiefs need to move on without him.

    The guy showed you what he was made of against The Bills.

    The Chiefs relied on him too much.
    And, then he ends up getting hurt (on some stupid random play) and his absence costs the Chiefs the SB.

    What we saw in the SB, was a preview of next year's Mahomes (without Fisher).

    Without Fisher, Mahomes turns into an average QB.

    I can see it now, next season's Mahones will be running around like a chicken, because he doesn-t have Fisher (to block).

    Bad timing for Fisher. Gets hurt and costs his team the SB.
     
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    Opinion: Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes is not to blame for Super Bowl 55 loss, but his future legacy isn't etched in stone

    But it’s a reminder that moments are fleeting in sports and nothing about his career is already etched in stone. To reach the ceiling that seemed so obvious a year ago when he brought the Chiefs back in the fourth quarter to win Super Bowl 54, he’s going to need luck and he’s going to need help. He’s going to need an organization in Kansas City that drafts well and manages the salary cap. He’s going to have to stay healthy. He’s not going to do it alone

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...nough-chiefs-super-bowl-loss-bucs/4427652001/

    Wouldn't it be crazy if the bottom dropped out of the Chiefs and Mahomes never won another Super Bowl?

    Of course, I am not saying that is going to happen.
    Just pointing out that it would be crazy if it did.
    Nothing can ever be taken for granted.


    That article makes a lot of good points about how fragile Mahomes' career arc really is.
     
  13. Independent4ever

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    Andy Reid with clock management issues? As a lifelong Eagles fan all I have to say is that in other news, water is wet....

    He was 1-5 though in Conf. Title games before last year. Beat Vick/Falcons 27-10, Jan 2005
     
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    My bad.

    I was only referring to the years that they didn't advance to the SB.

    You are (obviously) correct..

    9 Champ Gm. App.

    PHA 1-5 (Lost SB in 2005)

    KC 2-1 (Won SB in 2020/Lost SB in 2021)

    How is this for a stat:

    Lost SB's to the same quarterback (playing for a different team) in both leagues.

    Coached NFC Champs/Lost to Brady (NE) in 2005
    Coached AFC Champs/Lost to Brady (TB) in 2021

    A rather unique achievement.

    And, speaking of water is wet:

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/1...nsas-city-chiefs-clock-mismanagement-timeouts

    https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/...s-city-chiefs-divisional-round-houston-texans
     
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    The Broncos-Panthers SB was the last time I remember an O-Line playing as bad as the Chiefs O-Line played last night, and the Panthers were facing one of the best defenses I have ever seen.

    As for Cam, you would probably know better than I, but I got the impression his injuries are what wrecked his career. Certainly, his bad mechanics haven't helped, and from what I saw this year the Patriots' coaching staff haven't gotten that cleaned up.
     
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    A mighty impressive win for the Bucs. You could tell about halfway into the 2nd Quarter the Chiefs were in real trouble.

    My congrats go out to Bruce Arians, and it was nice to see Leonard Fournette continue his strong play in the postseason last night (135 total yards and 1 TD). He's looked like the RB I remember from LSU...
     
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    The Chiefs secondary was awful, too.
     
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    Tampa Bay Buccaneers have something to celebrate will a Super Bowl in their own stadium which is a first and winning 31 to 9 . There were two other Super Bowls in two teams played close to their own stadium line the Los Angeles Rams lost to the PittsburghSteelers 31-19 in 1980 at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena away from Anaheim where the Rams played regular season. and in 1984 The San Francisso defeated the Miami Dolphins 38-16 at Stanford Stadium south of Candlestick Park where the 49ers played regular season games. If by chance the Rams and Chargers were to win the NFCand AFC conferences respectfully, They would be the host teams to next year's Super 46.
     
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    By the way, Jack, I think Redskins fans can take heart that their team played the Bucs better than the Chiefs did.

    Chase Young and Alex Smith deserved their accolades, too. I didn't know until a minute ago that Chase is the first 'Skin to win the Defensive Rookie of the Year award. His upside is through the ceiling...
     
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    Yup. Thanks. For the first time in a long time that light at the end of the tunnel may not be an oncoming train.
     
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    Cool - I didn't know that.

    While not as close, John Madden won his only Super Bowl with the Oakland Raiders at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.


    I'll say both of those teams will be lucky to win their divisions. The NFC West & AFC West are about as tough as they get...
     
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    Since the Shanahan "era", at least.

    Who/what do you think they should look for in the draft? I keep seeing WR in the mock drafts.

    The offensive line and defensive secondary could use some help, too...
     
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    They haven't really been "my" Redskins (or now WFT) since the first Joe Gibbs era.
    Draft? I'd say, in priority order, WR, OL, LB and DB.
     
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    They haven't really been "my" Redskins (or now WFT) since the first Joe Gibbs era.
    Draft? I'd say, in priority order, WR, OL, LB and DB.
     
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