OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

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  1. Diablo

    Diablo Active Member

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    It's fairly straightforward why many people are still religious - they are brought up that way, indoctrinated from childhood. Others are naive enough to to be persuaded. Eventually it will die out and we can be rational.

    The only way to know the nature of reality is through science - and don't ask me though - my degree was in Maths/Physics - but I became an accountant instead - more money, less tensor calculus.

    ETA: This was a reply to Frank's post.
     
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    Silliness. I saw Thor welding his mighty hammer in a Movie just the other day.

    Ancient Alien Theorists suggest that some of the old stories of God's were inspired by alien visitations to earth.

    The main problem perhaps is in the definition of "God". Since we do not have any clue what might be out there - folks over the millennia have tended to fill in the vacuum with make believe. Over time those stories got bigger "my God is better than your God" - to the point where God could not get any bigger - Omniscient, Eternal, All Knowable and All Powerful !

    This then leads to following absurdity. Imagine this all powerful and wise eternal God - suddenly becoming a xenophobe. A genocidal maniac with the most petty of human emotions and characteristics.

    A God that creates something - and being all knowing knows exactly how that creation will turn out - but, then get's mad at the creation for turning out the way it has. Further, this God then punishes these creations for turning out the way he made them- knowing how they would turn out prior to creating them.

    The irrationality does not end there. This God gives these people "commands" and rules to live by. One of these rules is that children should not be punished for the sins of their parents. This is a great rule that exists to this day in the rule of law. One person is not to be punished for the actions of another.

    Shortly after giving this rule this irrational flip flopping God then commands these people to break this law -telling them to go out and kill children and babies for the sin's of their parents.

    I think you are wrong when you say that we can say for sure that none of the Gods worshiped by people exist. We simply do not know if God's exist.

    I think what we can say for sure is that in general the stories people make up about the Gods are abject nonsense.
     
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    OK, OK. Let's reset. Show us the one true god......
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is an incredible assertion, basically you have a completely amoral existence. Any and all laws or morals can be over ridden by the persecutor saying, "god told me to do it" and you have to prove that this god did not.
     
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    I cannot prove that God does not exist. The burden lies upon those who claim he does exist. The only reason my claim needs a proof is because someone who believes in God made the claim that he does exist. If they simply stop believing in any God, no one would ever feel the need to test them until God or proof of God presented itself to us using standard methods of empirical review. If you still persist, substitute the word "Odin" for God and defend your position thusly. Since I doubt if any God lover would admit that their proof for the existence of God is the same as one for Odin, the question is rhetorical.
     
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    Frank Apisa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What the hell are you raving on about?

    I am talking about the possible existence of gods.

    If you want to talk about religion and perverted they can be...talk to someone else.
     
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    No one incurs a burden of proof for refusing to "believe" something.

    But if an assertion is made...like "There are no gods"...then the burden is incurred.

    In my opinion, the best position to take is, "I lack a 'belief' that gods exist...and I lack a 'belief' that no gods exist."

    That is just my opinion.
     
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    No you need to think this through and take it to its logical conclusion.

    If someone wants to lob my head off because their god tells them to, I can tell them that unless they prove the existence of their god they are wrong, you cannot. More importantly society cannot tell them they are wrong unless it proves their god does not exist. Shifting the burden of proof as you wish to do has practical implications, it is not just a theoretical concept.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which is exactly the same as saying "I lack a belief in gods".
     
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    Maybe atheist is best yet.
     
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    I am your one true God ! Now that the truth has been revealed you may commence worshiping me.

    I will PM you with an address where you can start sending checks.
     
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    lol!
     
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    If you start demanding money with menaces I cannot say you are wrong since I cannot prove you are not a god, if I follow Franks reasoning.
     
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    Menaces ? I tell you this. If you do not "believe". If you do not "have faith" - the worst thing your unbelieving mind can imagine will happen to you.

    If you do not believe you will be tortured in the worst ways imaginable .. and not just for a few days. For an eternity. Eternal torture - for ever and ever and ever.
     
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    Since I cannot prove you are not god, I have to say ok and await your PM! Will you take a cheque?
     
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    I am talking about whether or not gods exist.

    If you are saying that no gods exist...the burden of proof of that assertion is on you.

    If you are not saying that...go say whatever it is you saying (or babbling) to someone else.
     
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    Check is fine but, make sure it does not bounce as this would put you in danger of being roasted in the eternal fire.

    Remember when you are filling out the amount - you need not worry so much about your time here on earth; earthly possessions are meaningless - it is your eternal soul that is important.
     
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    Sorry Frank I have just discovered I am a god, do not accuse me of babbling, unless you can prove I am not a god.
     
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    LOL you are stealing my material !
     
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    Logic is clearly not your forte.

    Alas, not a syllable of this answers the question; yet it's pretty obvious you believe a certain mojo attends nonpositive assertions that divests them of such burdens as you vainly imagine positive assertions are encumbered with.

    That's not a positive, and obviously that's not what i would be proving anyway. So you could hardly be more wrong if you tried.

    Believe me, I have boundless faith in your ability to discover an ant in the contents of my pocket and call it an elephant.

    Actually that is clearly not a possibility, at least to those of us who know what elephants and pockets are.

    That's because I don't know what that means. And there are a jillion other negatives I can't prove, and a jillion others I CAN prove.

    Not really.

    Hardly necessary.

    But thanks for the unwavering torrent of rank imbecilities, I guess.
     
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