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OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Daggdag, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. Frank Apisa

    Frank Apisa Well-Known Member

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    You are correct here, John. My bad.

    I should have said...I feel it has to be corrected. And I do. I think that allowing people who blindly guess that no gods exist to suppose that they are arriving there via reason, logic, or science...is doing them a disservice. They should have their error called to their attention.


    If you "could"...just do it.

    My guess is...you could not show "there are no gods" to be logical or reasonable if you wrote several books on the subject. But I am willing to listen to what you have to say.


    Okay.

    ???


    If you want to talk about "God"...speak with whomever it proposing that "God."

    I am talking about gods...and I would like to confine myself to that.




    I am discussing the question of whether or not "No gods exist" and/or "At least one god exists"...are blind guesses or not.

    If you would like to discuss that with me, John, I would love to do it.


    Lots of things "don't matter"...or more properly, "may not matter."

    But we discuss them, nonetheless. That is the reason for this section of this forum...to discuss things like this that may not matter.
     
  2. JohnConstantine

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    Like I said, as logical as denying the existence of pink elephants outside of an atmosphere. We have no precedent for it, nothing to base it on, but can't categorically say for sure that in some realm beyond our experience elephants haven't developed means of breathing in space.
     
  3. JohnConstantine

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    Or the old adage, that which can be advanced without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Because without this you can just make up whatever you like, why stop at pink elephants. Planets made of ice-cream? -- inhabited by pickle-nosed llamas whose society is based strictly on absurdism and debauchery?
     
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  4. Frank Apisa

    Frank Apisa Well-Known Member

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    As I mentioned, Nazi...you are so cute and adorable when you get like this. Sorta like a baby with an adorable cry.



    It is not "reasonable", it is not an "intelligent conclusion"...and it is a blind guess.

    If you want to discuss Santa...do it with a toddler, a fellow atheist...or with mommy.

    Cute as the dickens...as they used to say!

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Frank Apisa

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    Is the statement, "At least one god exists"...a blind guess or not?
     
  6. Frank Apisa

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    If someone advances the assertion, "In the REALITY of existence...at least one god exists"...I would dismiss it without evidence.

    In fact...I do.

    If someone advances the assertion, "The REALITY of existence contains no gods"...I would dismiss it without evidence.

    In fact...I do.

    I'm wondering how you feel about that.
     
  7. Soupnazi

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    Like I said it is you getting worked up repeating the same debunked lie.

    You hate it but you know it is true.

    it is an intelligent and reasonable and logical conclusion and not a blind guess.

    As evidence you will run away from the question as you always do.

    Is it a blind guess to assert there is no Santa because the exact same logical standards apply.

    you will prove your weakness and evade now
     
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    It's advancing something with no evidence.

    So to flip it. What do you think of the principle 'that which can be advanced without evidence can be dismissed without evidence'?
     
  9. Frank Apisa

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    Nah, Nazi, not getting worked up at all...although it is raining and I really wanted to play golf this morning.

    You seem a bit agitated today, though. Raining where you are?


    I do know it is true that "there are no gods" is a blind guess about the REALITY. Why would I hate it?

    "There are no gods" is a blind guess. It is not intelligent, logical, nor a conclusion. It is a blind guess.

    If you want to talk about Santa...go ask mommy. She'll answer your questions. Or if she won't...go ask a toddler or a fellow atheist. They love Santa. And you can talk about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy also.

    I love ya, Nazi. You've got spunk. Or is that vanilla ice cream you spilled on your trousers?
     
  10. William Rea

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    It seems you either get this, you don't get it or you just like trolling with it. Good to have someone else like yourself on board that understands the absurdity and is prepared to stand up for reason.
     
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    Yes you are all worked up and mad because as usual your illogical claims have been proven wrong.

    Now the question is clearly about logic which you are woefully ignorant of.

    Answer up is it illogical or unreasonable to assert there is no santa?

    You will run away as always proving yourself wrong. Stating there is no god or gods is a logical and reasonable conclusion as you well know and not a blind guess

    Another cowardly evasion in 5..4..3.2..1
     
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    Agreed!
     
  13. JohnConstantine

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    Sure.

    But now we're back to ice-cream planet (see how this works?).

    You are saying that advancing the existence of something without evidence is the logical equivalent of denying the existence of something without evidence. Straight forward enough. But it does mean we can't deny the existence of my ice-cream planet.

    If you're happy with that then fair enough, but it surely messes with the logical faculties of most.
     
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    Absolutely...it is advancing something with no evidence.

    I prefer to call it a blind guess about the unknown REALITY.

    Is there something about it that you think differentiates it from a blind guess?



    I think it makes sense.

    I do exactly that. When things are advanced without evidence...I tend to dismiss them without evidence.

    In the case of someone advancing "There is at least one god" for instance...I normally smile and say (or write)...thank you for sharing that blind guess about what exists in the REALITY of existence.

    Very dismissive!

    You???
     
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    We are cross posting...and this gets confusing.

    Reply to my last post...and when you are through...allow me to respond.
     
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    More interesting is the idea of someone that claims to be an agnostic but, is so dogmatically attached to ignorance as a virtue that they have completely lost the ability to reason or communicate. Just goes to show that fundamentalist dogmatism makes fools of everyone that goes that way.
     
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    IF it makes you feel good about yourself to claim that I am "all worked up"...knock yourself out.

    I'm having a ball here...and filling the time I would normally be spending on the course.

    Your assertion that there are no gods...is nothing but a blind guess about what does or does not exist in the REALITY of existence.

    Obviously you cannot see that...but it goes with the territory of being an atheist of your type.

    No problem. I do not hold it against you.

    Continue to make the blind guesses...and I will continue to be dismissive of them.
     
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    Being happy with it within yourself is fine, it is the endless repetition, insertion of the inanity into every conversation and belief that no one understands the consequence of ignorance that is ridiculous. Idiot savant comes to mind, a legend in it's own lunchtime.
     
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    Good point!

    Never thought of anyone as a fanatical agnostic before but given what Frank is posting the description is appropriate.

    And yes, anyone who embraces dogmatism over and above logic and reason is, by definition, a fanatic.
     
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    William...how ya been, man?

    Still following me around.

    I appreciate the dedication. ;-)
     

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