OK, was it wrong to bomb Japan?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I learned a lot of brand new things watching this video. I urge you to watch it if you feel even a twinge over the use of the A bombs. Actually, had we had the H Bomb, it would have been hundreds times worse.

    Those who compare an A bomb to a H bomb are on notice. The A is a firecracker. the H is a genuine stick of dynamite.

    Or compare a B-B gun to the .20 mm cannon.

    The video you will see is highly researched for accuracy.

    [video=youtube;VfyNNVuLCn8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfyNNVuLCn8[/video]
     
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    It was completely unecessary according to the joint chiefs at the time
     
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    It ended the war, and that was a good thing.
     
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    It would end every war. But killing a city full of women and children is immoral
     
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    Yes, and it started something that should have never begun. A Pandora's box was opened.
     
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    Only those fueled with a blinding hatred of the U.S. would say the bombs were unnecessary. The Japanese would have fought block by block before surrendering. Tokyo had been bombed like Berlin and they had not surrendered. And they didn't even surrender after the first bomb; it took two bombs to get the job done.

    Threads like this bring out the kooks who can't go more than 24 hours without posting something anti-American.
     
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    All of the joint chiefs and many other major military leaders said it was unecessary.
     
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    Not if it saved American lives. They started the war. We ended it. If they didn't want to be bombed, maybe they shouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor.
     
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    The generals and admirals disagreed with your assessment
     
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    As someone born and raised in Hawai'i, I would answer the question "Was it wrong to bomb Japan?" with the following: "No more than it was wrong of Japan to bomb Hawai'i". (And, in fact, the U.S. bombing of Japan was much less wrong than Japan's bombing of Hawai'i, as our bombing was neither unprovoked nor unjustified, at least according to international law).

    Exactly right. I have a picture of my mom as a little girl, carrying her gas mask to school. I heard the stories of my grandfather, telling us about papering over the windows and leading the family down to the basement area in response to the air raid sirens.

    Sorry, I realize it's not politically correct to call these threads "horse crap", but that's exactly what they are.

    Yeah, war is immoral. What's your point?
     
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    "Anti-American" is believing revisionist drivel designed to keep Americans stupid but proud.

    You're right about the kooks, though.
     
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    We find ourselves in rare agreement.

    It was a necessary evil to avoid the carnage of a land invasion of Japan.

    In the long run it SAVED lives.

    Machiavellian. The ends justify the means, etc.
     
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    Correct. The argument that it saved many American lives justifies dropping the bombs by itself. But we need to include the countless number of Japanese lives that were also saved by avoiding a ground war.

    The bombs were the lesser of two evils.
     
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    The Japanese Army Leadership all followed the Bushido Code.

    For GOD sakes they were training women and children with sharp sticks to throw themselves at the invading enemy!

    A mainland invasion of Japan would have resulted in the deaths of MILLIONS!!

    AA
     
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    interesting. So I gather you were against the US bombing any enemy city in WW2?
     
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    its not a coincidence this is being done when most of the people involved in the war are already dead or in retirement homes. They dont want the actual soldiers to speak up.
     
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    Absolutely.

    It not only saved hundreds of thousands of U.S. casualties, but spared millions of Japanese the fate that befell the German citizens in WW2.
     
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    Plus, they deserved it lol.
     
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    There is nothing good about war. No decision in war is good. There is just the necessary and the unnecessary.

    A decision had to be made. Drop the bomb and kill thousands...or don't and have to continue fighting the war in which case just as many would likely have died, but from both sides.

    The Japanese were extremely resilient, to the point of suicide bombers. They would have fought to the death, killing as many as they could over every block, of every street, of every city. It would have been a blood bath either way.

    Think about it. Even after being bombed once, and facing that type of power, never seen before they stood defiantly. It took us dropping it twice to make them surrender. THAT'S the type of people we were fighting. They were warriors. Without those bombs, it would have been just as bloody.

    I would have done the same thing. They should have surrendered before it was necessary. The majority of blane was on thier leaders.

    Again, there just are no good decisions in war.
     
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    From my own family point of view it was a damn good thing as it met the end of the possible that my father would not live through the war and return home to father me four years later.

    A lot of people would not have live if we had needed to invaded the home islands and a lot of us would not had therefore been born.
     
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    When you watch the video, tell me again. Back then, the Joint Chiefs actually could command. Today they do not command. They are advisers today.

    But during WW2, they laid down the law.

    If they did not want to bomb, they would have refused.

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    You should have watched the video. Not far into it, it addresses that problem.
     
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    The video covers all facts. I urged you all to watch it in full.

    I noticed who watched it vs who did not.

    First, 5 days ahead of time and in writing, we warned Japanese cities to evacuate to save lives. We informed them the city would be totally destroyed. The excuse we killed women and children is non relevant.

    Had the Japanese lived and worked in good type buildings, most or many more would have lived. But wood and cheap buildings won't stop even a small A bomb. We dropped the smallest bomb on Hiroshima. Nagasaki got hit with one that was half more powerful than the first one.

    Again they had been warned 8 days ahead of time.

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    What you are saying is it was bad to kill a few Japanese but fine to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. I don't believe the Joint Chiefs ordered that. Then they had power to order.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope, you are guessing.

    http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomicdec.htm

     
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    The Americans should not feel guilty about what Truman did and we don't have to go back 70 years and regret what our grandfathers did. I don't think the Japanese are accusing the Americans of committing war crimes with regard to Hiroshima. It was a completely different time, when killing as many enemies as possible was necessary for the survival of our nation. Truman did what he had to do as the president and the atomic bombings did save a lot of lives on mainland Japan, for which many Japanese civilians were thankful, except for those who were unlucky enough to live in the two target cities.
     
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    WOW, you simply won't quit.

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    Very good. I wish you had seen the video.

    But still, very good observation.
     
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