OK you convinced me, now what?

No, it would also stimulate use of lower-carbon products and development of non-carbon energy sources. In British Columbia, home of North America's first carbon tax, it is combined with a per-capita rebate that makes most of the poor better off because they don't have cars or single-family homes.

 

that is probably why the poor don't have cars or single-family homes in canada.

 

The people that produce the most carbon would be effected the least and would not cut back on anything because they can afford it. The working stifffs would get stiffed. Every necessity of life would cost more.

 

I believe you in particular are infatuated with the science and it's an academic pursuit to you as you prove when you are more interested in the charts and graphs than doing anything about what you think they prove. 99% of true believer have other reasons though.

 

Who's in your way? Feel free to make all the planet saving personal lifestyle changes you want. Nobody is stopping you.

 

... aaaaaand with that deflection we come full circle on this denier crazy train. As I pointed out ... IN POST #2 ...

 

Buckle up for the Ride!

No one will change what is happening so best to prepare as you can and help your kids because THEY will deal with the bad stuff.

 

Once again you refuse to answer the question in the OP.

 

If I was a believer that's exactly what I would do. There is absolutely no way we could reverse our C02 input in short order to change the results of what's already been done

 

CO2 is not the big problem going forward.....it will be seen as the harbinger.

 

The truth is we don’t need to convince you. We need to convince China, which flatly refuses to even discuss the topic and is so aggregious a polluter that they could single handedly push warming over the red line even if all pollution everywhere else on earth stopped over night.

 

First, your "tragedy of the commons" is irrelevant to the question posed by the OP.

Second, the question asked is a good one - now that he is a believer in AGW, what is he supposed to do?

 

First, try to undestand why you let yourself get bamboozled by denier propagandists, so that it won't happen again. Then apologize to all of the honest people that you had viciously slurred while you were in the cult. You'll feel better afterwards.

Second, make the changes in your personal life to help the environment. They're not big. Don't breed uncontrollably. Minimize airplane trips. Don't buy big wasteful vehicles. Recycle intelligently. Plant trees. Don't whine about having to pay a little more to save the biosphere.

And third, support politicians that support rational environmental policy. You can only do so much alone.

An optional fourth, learn about the science more, so that you can teach others.

 

Have a tyre fire to celebrate your enlightenment

 

Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner. I knew someone would let it slip eventually and there it is. The democrats have created yet another Boogeyman and have convinced people that they are the ones that can kill this monster while Republicans are the monsters friend. What you are supposed to do after you become a true believer is vote democrat.

 

Why not continue to vote Republican?

 

Obviously you didn't really read my post on this.


"The democrats have created yet another Boogeyman and have convinced people that they are the ones that can kill this monster while Republicans are the monsters friend"

 

Hopefully you someday understand climate change is not a partisan issue and that scientist rather than Democrats are the ones who pointed it out. Likely the reason you go there is completely partisan but climate is not, though Republicans want badly to make it that way for reasons of money and power.

 

Skipping your pointless insults, the question is - Assume you convince someone that AGW is real, then what is that person supposed to do?

Your answer is don't breed uncontrollably, minimize airplane trips, plant trees - already being done regardless of AGW.
don't buy wasteful vehicles - room for improvement,
recycle - bad idea, I guess you haven't seen all the studies that show recycling programs harm morethan they save due to the extra trucks and the material handling problems.

But then you get to the real item, the item that many claim is the real reason politicians and "progressives" push for AGW - pay more in taxes. As others have mentioned, it seems AGW is really nothing more than a front for wealth transfer.

So the bottom line is that you want to convince people that AGW is real, but then there is nothing substantive the individual can do except hand over his money to the govt.

Remember, the consensus of Kyoto was that if the USA unilaterally adopted the entire Kyoto plan, it would change the environment just slightly more than the ability to measure the environmental change.

You prove the point that AGW is just a money scam and power grab.

 

Let what slip? Common sense? Nobody can save the world by themselves. It requires a group effort, and that requires politics.

You're the only one bringing political parties into it. I said nothing about voting for Democrats. If any Republicans have good climate policy, vote for them.

Remember, we are not like you. We get it. You're a hopeless partisan shill, so you can't imagine that anyone else isn't a partisan shill. That's just your own corrupt nature, so don't go projecting it on to independent people.

 

Yeah right, Republicans are the ones saying vote for me I'll stop global warming. Many of you are probably too young to remember but we've been through this before. In the Clinton era it was the boogeyman of logging and that was the number one issue. Democrats said vote for us we will save the forest while Republicans want to cut the last tree in the west down. Before that it was nuclear war and Democrats said vote for us Republicans will start a nuclear war. This is the same old democrat playboook with a new monster to scare you into voting for them

 

Name all the republican true believer republican politicians you endorse for congress or president.


Here's the dogma from the left.

Why Republicans Still Reject the Science of Global Warming
Only one major political party in the world denies climate change, and it’s in charge of the most important political body in the world

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-reject-the-science-of-global-warming-106402/

 

When you're so free with insults, you shouldn't whine about getting them back. It makes you look wimpy.

Which is why I specifically said recycle _intelligently_. You couldn't argue against my actual point, so you made up a strawman to argue against.

That's some fine political conspiracy kookery on your part. It's clear that you're entirely motivated by your politics here. In contrast, we're motivated the by the science, common sense and good morality. We are not like you.

The bottom line is that you're just raging at strawmen now.

Then the USA better get the whole world to join in, which would require leading by example. Do you understand the concept of moral leadership and setting a good example? Why should the rest of the world join in if the USA refuses?

You prove the point that you're projecting your own fundamentally corrupt nature on to the moral people. Ethical behavior is so foreign to your worldview, you can't even imagine that anyone else would act ethically. You need to understand one simple fact -- we are not like you.

 

Ronald Reagan. Voted for him twice.

Don't worry. I grew out of that phase. Most people do.

I recently voted for a Republican mayor, since I thought the Democrat was in the pocket of corrupt real estate investors.

What does that have to do with anything? I said vote for Republicans if they hold good policies. Republicans rarely hold good policies now, so I rarely vote for them.

So you publish a piece showing how almost all Republicans lie about climate science. Thanks for proving my point. If any particular Republicans stops lying about climate science, that Republican stands a much better chance of getting my vote.

 

What do you need to do? Simple.
Stop voting for ass-holes from the Hannity Cult.

This is your problem. You think there is some kind of magical “fix” that will 100% take care of a problem 200 years in the making. And if it can’t fix the problem immediately then nothing should be done.

You believe that if China isn’t 100% on board that nothing can be done. You believe that if every hippie doesn’t ride a bike instead of driving a car, then why bother.

But the real issue at this point is can we take collective and individual actions that might slow down the process enough to allow for plans to deal with rising sea water and drought. Humans can adapt, but it will take time to prepare.

You own guns for protection, even though the odds of actually needing to use that gun is incredibly small. You are planning for a worse case scenario.

The worst thing that can happen if we plan for worst case scenarios with climate change is we end up with cleaner air and water. It’s no different from buying that gun - we think it’s a series of air quality actions that may reduce (not stop) a danger to those around us.

So your task is to understand motivation and stop being the guy trying to outlaw guns with your vote.