OK....your DEAD....now what?

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  1. Denizen

    Denizen Well-Known Member

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    You enroll as a GOP voter.
     
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    Back in the days of cassette tape technology sounds.......
    were recorded on magnetic tape.......
    that had finely ground rocks that actually
    gave us music and voice?!

    This reminds me somewhat of:


    Hans Jenny - Cymatics

    .....

    If...... it is true that the first intelligence / Intelligence thought something along the line of
    "I think therefore I AM!"
    close to infinite time in the past......
    and if that Intelligence / intelligence / Intelligences (because the problems that
    Stephen Hawking Ph. D. and you and others are having in getting Gravity
    into a GUT, implies perhaps that there could be two.... .rather than merely one.....
    fundamental energies?!

    And if.......
    that Intelligence...... wanted to record everything.... because that Intelligence had
    put so much effort in something like the Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse.....
    that they wanted reliable recordings of all events......

    then we are looking at the possibility that Neutrino Type Matter.....
    was invented.... for a very specific purpose.....
    one of which would be the reduction of "court costs".......

    Near-death. com The Life Review....
    would be background information to this idea.....
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Dr. Masaru Emoto research......
    although seriously flawed and not well planned......
    still indicates that water.......
    may have some sort of RECORDING capability........

    and thus.....
    the Dr. Masaru Emoto research.....
    may give us clues about...... "Nutrino Type Matter"
    if it is true that NTM.... has something to do with
    recording all the events of the past.......
     
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    As neutrinos do not interact with matter in any way, how could they record what happens with it or react to the thoughts one particular matter based lifeform directs at them? The neutrino hypothesis seems to be a dead tree to bark at...try dark energy/matter as it allows for far more imagination in your "interesting" musings.
     
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    I never said or implied GodDidIt was a Christian concept. I have asserted all along, in this thread and others, that the very basis of the concept of "god" stemmed from man's attempts to answer seemingly unanswerable questions.
    Oh Great Leader, what is the cause of lightning?
    Oh Great Leader, why did our crops die?
    Oh Great Leader, where did we come from?

    GodDidIt predates Christianity by 100,000 years.

    The idea that crops dying was caused by a god did not misrepresent or conflict with the science of the times of 8000 years ago. Nevertheless, it was wrong. All you are doing is attempting to put your version of GodDidIt into current understandings and unknowns. As I said, It's still nothing more than GodDidit. Wrong then, wrong now.
     
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    After giving this MUCH thought, I think that there is nothing after death. You are just dead, period. The end. Some people might find that cynical or whatever, but that is just what I believe. It's a hard thing to accept for a lot of people though. I really don't blame them for believing in (or wanting to believe in) an afterlife. Of course, when you are conscious of your own mortality, you will come up with all kinds of afterlife scenarios for yourself and your loved ones.
     
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    I assure you I am not a mythical, cave-dwelling being depicted in folklore as either a giant or a dwarf, typically having a very ugly appearance.

    However, you were probably referring to an "internet troll"...
    I guess you don't see yourself matching that description even though you posted that I was "too bitter and lazy to pick up a book", when you have no way of knowing what I do or do not read.

    If you cannot take ideas that are contradictory to your own, I suggest you post on forums like https://www.christianforums.com
    You will probably find their responses more accepting of your views.


    Nevertheless, I'll ask again, why is it that when you post, you consider your comments to be thoughtful and meaningful and when I post, my comments are bashing someone else's beliefs? See if you can answer without attacking me personally.
     
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    The linked article is a very good read. Thanks.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Defacto claims in relation to what God did, or did not do, or what the nature of God is logical fallacy.

    I do not think you read my posts very well. I was posing questions in relation to existence and what God "might" be ... based on the only "evidence" that we have.

    To sum up my comments in relate to the idea of God ... is that there seems to be a force that is acting on the energy.

    FACT: Energy gained awareness of its existence and this awareness was then able to manipulate energy (manifest itself into physical reality).

    To suggest (as you have done) that there are (100%) not other energy structures (structures other than humans) that have a greater ability to manipulate energy (through force of will) than humans is abject nonsense.
     
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    If awareness had an end. It would have ended already. I do a quazi proof for this claim earlier in the thread.
     
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    There is no proof, but I will look at your post if you will tell me the post number.
     
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    Matter is just a different form of energy. At the subatomic level energy transforms into matter and vice versa.

    At some point, energy managed to gain awareness of itself. (We exist - I think therefor I am). How the energy did this is not important to the proof.

    All that matters is that somehow, energy managed to assume an organized form such that it figured out that it exists - awareness.

    We see this not only in humans but in dogs, cat's and so on. We can state then that there are different configurations of energy that confer a different level of awareness.

    So. You happened. Energy formed a configuration/structure that gained awareness. Since this is true, it is true that there was a finite probability of this event occurring. It also follows that there is a finite probability of this event occurring again.

    In an infinite amount of time each finite probability will re-occur an infinite number of times.
     
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    It is not a logical fallacy to claim gods are the creation of man's imaginings.

    No. You were "posing questions" based on your perceived evidence.

    Based on perceived evidence, people concluded that the only thing that could shake the ground violently was a god.

    A viewpoint for which there is no evidence whatsoever.

    If this a fact, it would appear in numerous college level textbooks. It doesn't. You claiming it to be a fact does not make it a fact.

    You should try to re-write that in a way which makes it understandable.
     
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    This is getting stupid. Either you are being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous or you are (fill in blank).

    1) I did not claim that it was logical fallacy to claim gods are the creation of man.

    Get some reading comprehension and quit building straw men.


    This is in college level textbooks. Descarte is famous for (I think therefor I am)

    How does the fact that you exist .. not prove that you exist ?

    If you do not believe that your existence proves your existence - there is not much I can do to help you.
     
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    Dennis if you recall we discussed the possibility that just in the way audio and video were recorded on magnetic tape so it might be possibe to record what is known as PSIONIC ENERGY WITHIN CERTAIN FORMS OF ROCK.

    The Stanley Hotel where Steven King stayed and to this day talks about the scares he got as he saw full bodied apparitions or ghosts which lead him to write his book THE SHINNING.

    Now the Stanley Hotel exists in the mountains are built upon and against very high in crystalline form quartz which supposedly can store Psionic Energy just like a recording.

    AA
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fascinating!

    I have also read theories about Atlantis having developed amazing
    technology that had something to do with crystals........
    Some experts who are well informed on the Bermuda Triangle phenomena
    feel that technological devices from Atlantis are in the ocean there......

    ... but something very interesting is that a Dr. Omand exorcised the Bermuda Triangle
    back in the 1970's..... He felt that thousands of former slaves who were in an attitude of
    anger, vengeance and unforgiveness...... were pooling their energies and playing
    tricks on ships and planes there........
    After he prayed and did his rituals and sent off those slaves into the light......
    the Bermuda Triangle did seem to significantly calm down?????!


    The Man Who Exorcised the Bermuda Triangle - the Reverend Donald Omand, Exorcist Extraordinary
     
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    Several years ago I read "My Descent Into Death" by former Atheist Howard Storm.

    He was a Professor of Art and was on a trip to Paris, France with his students when he
    had a brush with death.

    When he first found his consciousness, up above his own body, he is shocked, and
    is yelling and cursing at his wife who is ignoring him........
    but later on he figured out that she cannot hear him.......
    As a Ph. D. he knows the reasoning process and in the book
    proposes many possible alternative theories on his experience but
    he eventually settles on the idea that human consciousness can exist
    apart from our brain and physical body.

    His book was published and promoted by Vampire novel author Ms. Anne Rice.


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html
     
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    I have been wondering to what degree that
    Nutrino Type Matter may correspond with
    Energy from Quantum Vacuum but yes......
    Dark Matter would be another interesting possibility.

    To what degree does Dark Matter correspond with
    Engergy from Quantum Vacuum though???
     
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    Another question that has been on my mind for about two decades is along the line of......
    If Super Strings correspond with the Male thought and behaviour process......

    and If.... Super Waves... correspond with the Female thought and behaviour process......

    Did.... fundamental energy Super Strings and Super Waves have to combine together before
    something along the line of Emotion........
    and Curiosity.......
    and a fascination with greater and greater understanding and knowledge and wisdom
    entered the picture??????

    .http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/gender/g1.htm
     
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    No one knows as of yet, hypothesis would be the beginning of finding out but must at a minimum have something to be tested to become theory....perhaps you might provide this?

    Personally I like the idea that Dark matter/energy are the 80% of our universe that will someday explain the paranormal activities we humans find perplexing. For now all we have is speculation and fantasy....just as our forefathers had Gods to explain lightening.
     
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    Nope...this one is easy and requires no strange theoretical mental masturbation.

    The behavior of human Females is perceived and created by the behavior of human Males.

    Women are Crazy
    Men are Stupid
    Women are Crazy BECAUSE men are stupid
    Men are stupid BECAUSE women say they are.
     
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    >>>>>OK....your DEAD....now what?<<<<<


    "We're all travelers in this world - from sweet grass to the packin' house - birth till death - we travel between the eternities."
     
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    That is exactly what I suspect as well.

    I find it extremely interesting that Dr. George Ritchie, way back in 1943,
    described what sure sounded like fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth..... .and I believe
    ninth dimensional space time.........
    fifty years before String Theory and invisible space - time dimensions became
    common knowledge.



    Here is his description of what seems to correspond to ninth dimensional space - time.

    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/city-of-light.html#a02

    String Theory explains why five dimensional space - time would be invisible to us
    here in four dimensional space - time..... .as well as why seventh dimensional energy would be
    invisible to a being vibrating at sixth space - time dimensional levels.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
    Dr. George Ritchie describes some of what he was shown was going on in the first four dimensions of space -time here:


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/george-ritchie.html

    Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience
     
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    Yeah, you did. I claimed gods are the creation of man's imaginings.
    You responded... (my emphasis)
    I said nothing about what god did or did not do. I was talking about his alleged existence - the nature of the creation of god. You stated that was a logical fallacy.
     
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    I do not think you know what logical fallacy is. You stated that all claims in relation to the nature of God were wrong. Since you can not possibly prove this claim true - it is logical fallacy (assumed premise).
     

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