Oklahoma sex offender fatally shot his wife, her 3 kids and 2 teen girls before killing himself, pol

These incidents just keep coming. In this case the killer used his wife's gun.

Oklahoma sex offender fatally shot his wife, her 3 kids and 2 teen girls before killing himself, police say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/us/oklahoma-four-victims-identified-sex-offender-home/index.html
A convicted sex offender this week fatally shot his wife and her three children in their Oklahoma home – as well as two teenage girls who there were for a sleepover – before killing himself, police said Wednesday, accounting for the bodies’ discovery days earlier.

Authorities found the bodies Monday at a property in Henryetta, a city about 90 miles from Oklahoma City, where 39-year-old registered sex offender Jesse L. McFadden lived with his wife, 35-year-old Holly McFadden, and her children, who were McFadden’s stepchildren: Rylee Allen, 17; Michael Mayo, 15; and Tiffany Guess, 13.

The two other teen girls who were killed – 14-year-old Ivy Webster and 16-year-old Brittany Brewer – had been reported missing and in danger on Monday morning. The girls were Tiffany’s friends and spent the night with her on Saturday, and they were reported missing when they didn’t return home Sunday as planned

The firearm used in the killings was a handgun that Holly bought in 2022, Prentice said.

 

He was due in for a court appearance that would have put him away for life. Like the complete shithead that he was his whole life, he preyed on those who trusted him. Just awful.

 

He's a sex offender and he's not in jail? I'm willing to bed he was let out by a leftist criminal justice system.

It wouldn't matter if he illegally used his wife's gone more illegally used someone else's. Something like this was going to happen that's why we need a more robust justice system.

Doesn't seem like a gun issue it seems like a failure of the justice system to work properly.

But let's blame the guns so we don't have to take responsibility.

 

Sounds like a problem with bail reform.

But let's blame the guns because we can't admit a stupid idea was wrong.

 

I realize this probably would not have happened if he had not had a gun.
But isn't it possible this could have still happened even if he did not have a gun?

I mean, you read stories about spouses killing each other without a gun all the time. There are stories about women drowning their babies in bath water.

I'll concede that the teenage girls were probably innocent victims in the wrong place at the wrong time and would probably not have been part of the slaughter if the killing were carried out through another means.

But it's also possible the sex offender might have sexually assaulted one of the teenage girls sleeping over, and then committed the mass killing out of desperation to cover up the crime.

Police will probably be examining the teenager's bodies for any signs of sexual assault.

I also think it's too early in this story to know exactly what happened for sure.

 

lets see-he was convicted of RAPE-a first degree FELONY in 2003. then
The firearm used in the killings was a handgun that Holly bought in 2022, Prentice said. Well he didn't buy it legally and no background check would have mattered since the buyer was not a prohibited person

 

So, Holly bought the piece to protect her and her family, eh.......................................

 

If Democrats were 1/8 as hard on criminals as they are on guns the world would be a much safer place.

instead they want criminals free to kill rape and steal as much as they’d like so long it’s not done with a gun I guess?

Here’s an idea: every criminal gets a “maga” tattoo emblazoned on his forehead so If he ever commits another crime, Democrats will be slobbering to put him in prison and throw the key away. Our streets will be the safest in decades

 

LOL ... cool story, bro

A real shame that the most dangerous states when it comes to violent crime rates are almost all RED STATES.

LOL

 

"Today all of Oklahoma's federal offices, and all statewide offices, are held by the Republican Party, which also holds supermajorities in both chambers of the state Legislature."

Yet according to you it is Democrats fault

 

Of course it is. But do realize it's much easier to point and shoot from a distance than get a knife and sink it in with the victim in your face.
It's psychologically totally different, while the victim could also just run away or get a blunt object and knock the murderer over the head and survive.

 

You can blame the weak law making it possible that such a criminal can buy a weapon from a unsuspected private citizen, because they do not need to do a background check.

 

Weak law is absolutely to blame. If he hadn't been out on bail or perhaps no bail at all he would have been in jail and wouldn't be able to kill these people.

There's no arguing that that would be absolute fact .

You can't make an unsuspecting private seller do a background check because there's no way to enforce it. There's no way to tell that he was the owner of the gun especially if he bought it from someone else. All they can determine is the dealer that sold it.

And requiring anybody that sells their own firearms to other people to be police is unacceptable.

That being said if the government allowed anybody and everybody to access the NICS database, and they could look up someone's name and determine whether or not they're criminal they can decide not to sell the gun to him and I think most people would choose to do that.

I could even work with other things like selling a car.

 

When he is a registered sex offender it means he aint out on bail, because he already lost the court case.
You don't always get a life sentence when you committed rape.
The average sentence for offenders convicted of rape was 178 months
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY18.pdf

huh? If they catch a criminal with a gun you sold to him in California, than you get fined up to 10k or something. So it's perfectly well enforceable.

People being shot by criminals is unacceptable. A background check making it hard for criminals is perfectly acceptable compared to that.

Yeah. You say this. While a state like CA with strong gun laws got a homicide rate of 6.1 per 100k.
Oklahoma is at 9 per 100k.

 

well for that car yes it is awaiting trial for another one in between the rest and trial the place you would be housed in his jail or you would be out on bond. That's the situation he was in from my understanding

I understand you have to commit security to connect and they have to convict knowing that the sentence that they're handing this person is going to be the punishment for it. It isn't black and white when you're sitting in that jury box. I

there are a lot of problems with this. First how would they catch a criminal with a gun and know that I sold it to them? What if I sold it to him outside of the jurisdiction of California?

The only point to that is to punish two people for one person's crime.

if they can circumvent that completely it's useless other than to collect data on legal gun owners which is the primary purpose of it anyway.

Well Oklahoma has a smaller population so you're not really comparing apples to apples here

For Oklahoma to have a 9 per 100k homicide rate in the entire State per year that's 405 murders

For California to have a homicide rate of 6.1 for every 100,000 you're talking about 2,370 homicides.

That means 5.8 tones as many people are victims of homicide in California then in Oklahoma.

A couple hundred shy of the world trade center every year in California.

Just using the population of California to hide the water in it it's dishonest..

If you had a town with three people in it and one of them murdered one of them that would mean they would have a homicide rate for that year of 33%, it would be the highest probably on the planet. Despite the fact that it was just be one person being murdered.

So part time this is so many people get murdered in California gun laws are not working.

Was it you always talking to about this with Chicago or was that someone else?

Go to a mother who's son was murdered in California don't worry it's okay your son's murder didn't count as much because you have more neighbors.

Lol

 

And he did it because he was a sociopath. Go work on that. It might help. Being angry at guns won't.

 

No, not in this case. As I said, he used a gun which he found lying around the house.

Uninformed people buy guns and leave them on night stands or kitchen counters where anyone can find them, including kids and prohibited folks

And the rest is history.

RIP & T/P.

You angry at guns? Why?

 

bad people whose feel their lives are over are the scariest, they have nothing to lose

a suicidal killer can not be stopped, they are the deadliest kind of killer

 

No. I'm never angry at inanimate objects or non human animals either. These things are just what they are.

 

Right.

Your earlier post remains a mystery, but that's fine.

 

Point is how you wondered how a sex offender is out. And the answer is probably because he was don with his sentence.

It's through gun registration.

go ask a lawyer

Uh no. It's a little bit of paperwork. And it helps to prevent the capital punishment on these 3 kids.

People can just ignore the red light at a crossing too. So according to you, it means we do not need traffic lights at all.
The murderer is also a sex offender. So he circumvented those laws and only got caught afterwards. So them laws are useless according to you.

Your argument is just dumb. Simply dumb. But you would be totally out of your freaking mind if you would sell a gun to a random person without a background check in CA and risk a 10k fine when they find out. It's not as if you owe that random person anything to make you do that. And that helps prevent the crime.

We are comparing apples to apples by looking at homicide rate per 100.000 people.
You're making a fool out of yourself by disagreeing with that.

 

from what I understand he was facing another charge.

There is no gun registry.

Why I would have been outside of their jurisdiction. And if California is successfully stopped people from selling their property they would just leave the state to buy it.

That's not my job I'm not a police officer.

no you're a straw man of my argument is dumb.

You're asking people to go through something that's unnecessary to pretend that their police and doing so will lead to more punishment coming back on them.

It's a scam. Just because the government says that it's perfectly legit doesn't mean it's not a scam

So you're comparing apples to oranges you hide the numbers in the law of averages which is just a way to dishonestly say that murder isn't this big of a problem in California that it is in Oklahoma.

The point is five times as many people die from homicide in California that in Oklahoma.

You just say California murders don't count as much because people have more neighbors.

Don't worry about how embarrassed I must feel for not agreeing with you I don't feel that way I never will.

Point is 2300 people lost their children their fathers their mothers their brothers and sisters in California versus 400 Oklahoma.

 

I don't know about other States, but in Florida you cannot keep a gun in your house if your spouse is a felon, so if this had happened in FL, the wife would be in trouble too (if she wasn't dead).

 

reading that, one has to wonder why he was released

"Victim of Oklahoma sex offender found dead with 6 others slams ‘justice system’ over his prison release"

https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/oklah...e-system-over-jesse-mcfaddens-prison-release/

"McFadden was due in court Monday to go on trial for the child porn case — charges stemming from alleged texts he exchanged with a victim while he was still behind bars for Strong’s rape.

Strong recounted her horrific and violent rape after learning the news about the man responsible.

She said McFadden tied her up with belts and held a knife to her neck before she was able to escape and run out without her clothes on to a neighbor’s for help, according to Fox News and News on 6."

 

too bad democrats in red states are causing so much crime. When will you get your angry violent blacks under control?