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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Americans? or criminals in America? 50 million people in the US own firearms without committing crime. seems they are the most capable.
     
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    Americans are dumbed down and frustrated. They are ridiculed and confronted every day of the week. That's not their fault but people who are that frustrated, feeling incompetent, in fear of losing their livelihood, hero-worshipping, "stand your ground" mentality, censured, and have a gun within reach ... well, the statistics speak for themselves. The gun goes "bang" and someone lies dead every couple of seconds in the US each and every day. The American social system must be drastically changed ... or ban all guns as soon as possible.
     
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    you think things would be more peaceful if it became illegal to own a gun? you do realize that 99% of lawful gun owners never harm any innocent person
     
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    I think its at least twice as many as that
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There would be fewer murders, absolutely.
    So, what you are saying is that 1% of all lawful gun owners and ??% of all unlawful gun owners harm innocent persons? The common denominator here is "guns". And how many shooting deaths are we talking about, because that's the static that's the most important, right? As I said, there would be fewer murders if guns were illegal.
     
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    well tell us how the government gets rid of 400 million currently legal guns without lots of murders, death and destruction. we get foreigners hate the fact that we are not treated like little children, like they are by their overlords
     
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    Are there no laws at all in the US?
    Fewer murders, death and destruction has to be better than what the US experiences today.
    Well, that's an odd thing to say because that's at the heart of the problem. We have some guns in Europe too but we don't go around shooting up the population because of :arrow: drive-bys, :arrow: schools, :arrow: road rage, :arrow: post offices, :arrow: churches, :arrow: shopping malls, :arrow: insurance claims, :arrow: infidelity, :arrow: divorce settlements, :arrow: child custody rights, :arrow: verbal insults, :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: etc. and yet we have much more freedom and democracy than in the US. So I don't understand what is meant by "being treated like little children".
     
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    I don't care about your fun game of pretending to not understand punching above your weight.
     
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    some people abusing rights is never a reason to suspend them. that's what dictators do.
     
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    Correctly representing reality is a game to you?
     
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    That's true but profit for the rich & corrupt at the expense of innocent lives is an unjust "right". Being given a "right" doesn't mean it is "right" any more than "white rights" against blacks in the southern states. Both gun ownership and racial inequality are/were the law but some laws must be amended or repealed for the benefit of the nation's inhabitants.
     
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    You cant control people who do that with laws. you certainly can't help by making sure their targets are defenseless? should we trust the government that fails to protect us in all of these instances to protect us?

    every mass shooting is a failure of government to protect. every murder, every assault.
     
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    he appears to think that someone who is not deterred by the de facto and de jure ramifications of committing mass murder will somehow be disarmed by a malum prohibitum law telling the shooter he cannot have a gun
     
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    Mass murder is necessary for gun control advocates. I think they interfere with efforts to thwart it so they

    can have more dead to support their views.
    Stopping violence without gun control is the GCA's worst nightmare.
     
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    A law that allows gun ownership in a society of unfulfilled, frustrated souls contributes to the loss of innocent lives by shootings.

    The arms industry, the NRA, and laws encouraging "stand your ground" are the culprits making hand over fist at the expense of innocent American lives.

    That's nothing but a catchphrase but it also applies to repeals and amendments. The second amendment itself is "self-evident" (as you say) yet it is only an amendment. Its' repeal or amendment would be "self-evident",
     
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    well we both know what side fills this board up with reports of gun shot murders. it's their stock in trade. and the sad thing is this-reducing crime has almost nothing to do with their real motivations
     
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    why do so many foreigners have such a hard on for the NRA? why do they side with American violent criminals? is it spite out of being treated like irresponsible children by their own governments?
     
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    Either one cherishes and nurtures Democracy or one does not.
    .. or failure to provide/uphold Democratic principles.
    Yes.
     
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    Only ... believe such things.
     
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    I don't really care what foreigners believe. I reference them to Aesop's fable about the fox that lost its tail
     
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    Nor what peace-loving Americans believe either, it's obvious.
     
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    There isn't a law that allows gun ownership. there is a law against preventing it.
    philosophical babbling isnt persuasive.

    leftist talking points only convince the left that doesn't need to be.

    you aren't getting anywhere.

    I'm waiting for you to explain it. crying about NRA conspiracies and calling the way our constitution was set up catchphrases isn't very persuasive. amazing you people haven't got anywhere since 1792.
     
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    anyone who wants to disarm honest Americans is not interested in peace.
     
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    I did.
    An absurd conclusion.
    Another absurd conclusion.
     
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    What?
    Yeah, I guess some would say daily shoot-outs are much more peaceful. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
     

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