Oldest stone tools pre-date earliest humans !

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  1. Ronstar

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    culture????

    who the **** is talking about culture?

    no one.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    dude, its clear as day that very little change took place between the homo sapiens leaving Africa and settling in India. they look 99% identical.
     
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    India's indigenous mostly clearly are of African heritage;

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    I do wonder, though, how within 200,000 years the black African became this;

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    It seems like either there was another group that evolved in the Caucus region.
     
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    @Ronstar

    wait, I might have to take back my previous statement;

    "When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European’s skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin:"
     
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    You're a real molecular biologist aren't you. No one said anything about gender jackass. The human genome has been squenced. Catch up and then we'll talk. On the order of ~26,000 genes. These "looks"? Phenotypic displays of variation in skin hue, hair texture and facial features? 6 genes total out of ~26,000 genes. That's it. You have no idea what you're blathering on about.
     
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    Evidently you understand something about the relationship between the two that Einstein did not.

    That certainly explains evolutionists and AGW alarmists well enough.
     
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    yep, the bible was not fact checked as well back then, as now we have the crowd sourcing of the internet available to us to see the flaws
     
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    The tools must have made themselves.
     
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    Wrong.
     
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    white Europeans have Neaderthal genes that contributed to lighter eyes and skin tone.

    Asians also have Neanderthal genes, hence the lighter skin.

    however, no Homo sapien has more than 4% Neanderthal genes, we are all at least 96% Homo sapien and those homo sapiens came from Africa and most likely looked like this:

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    and this:

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    sorry but there is NO conflicting homo sapien origin theory, other than Out-of-Africa.

    the oldest homo sapien bones are from Africa.
     
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    The oldest bones so far discovered anyway. And the interpretation of what the bones actually are is very shaky. You're still a Leaky fan ?
     
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    Oldest stone tools pre-date earliest humans !

    monkeys today make crude tools. So do other mammals.

    a "tool" is a natural object modified or used for an unnatural purpose, such as using a stick to attract ants or a rock to break a shell.
     
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    So rocks are older than humans. Who would have guessed?
     
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    Do monkeys make objects that are sharp ? They tend to use rocks to crush things, but not shaping them.
     
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    yes, apparently they do

    Tool manufacture is much rarer than simple tool use and probably represents higher cognitive functioning. Soon after her initial discovery of tool use, Goodall observed other chimpanzees picking up leafy twigs, stripping off the leaves and using the stems to fish for insects. This change of a leafy twig into a tool was a major discovery. Prior to this, scientists thought that only humans manufactured and used tools, and that this ability was what separated humans from other animals.[20] In 1990, it was claimed the only primate to manufacture tools in the wild was the chimpanzee.[21] However, since then, several primates have been reported as tool makers in the wild.[22]

    Both bonobos and chimpanzees have been observed making "sponges" out of leaves and moss that suck up water and using these for grooming. Sumatran orangutans will take a live branch, remove twigs and leaves and sometimes the bark, before fraying or flattening the tip for use on ants or bees.[23] In the wild, mandrills have been observed to clean their ears with modified tools. Scientists filmed a large male mandrill at Chester Zoo (UK) stripping down a twig, apparently to make it narrower, and then using the modified stick to scrape dirt from underneath his toenails.[24] Captive gorillas have made a variety of tools.[25]
     
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    Research in 2007 showed that common chimpanzees sharpen sticks to use as weapons when hunting mammals. This is considered the first evidence of systematic use of weapons in a species other than humans. Researchers documented 22 occasions when wild chimpanzees on a savanna in Senegalfashioned sticks into "spears" to hunt lesser bushbabies (Galago senegalensis).[28] In each case, a chimpanzee modified a branch by breaking off one or two ends and, frequently using its teeth, sharpened the stick. The tools, on average, were about 60 cm (24 in) long and 1.1 cm (0.4 in) in circumference. The chimpanzee then jabbed the spear into hollows in tree trunks where bushbabies sleep
     
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    Hmmm... Obama's ancestors.
     
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    I wonder what Ancient Astronaut theorists would say about this...
     
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    Yours and mine too!
     
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    and yours
     
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    The fact primates not called Homo made stone tools is a pretty big deal.
     
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    Yeah, ok, unproven theories as we know nothing about what life could have knapped those stones 700,000 years ago, and that estimate may be a supposition as stones are impossible to accurately date as far as when the work on them was actually done.

    Epic FAIL, also many odd effects are caused by seismic disturbances, water flow etc...over centuries of disturbance.
     

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