Once homophobic, now coming out. AMA

There's plenty of reasons to come out and being gay is more than wanting to have sex with guys. For one, it's good therapy for someone like me to be honest with myself, especially considering my past condemning the LGBT community. The more I own the fact that I'm gay, the more at peace I become. For another, being apart of the LGBT community is still viewed as wrong or inferior. The more visible we are, the less homophobia spreads. Finally, if you don't like my thread, why are you here? Why are you even in the sub forum? There's tons of threads that I don't take interest in that I skip over. Why can't you do the same?

 

Nuh-Uh
It is about "in your face" sociopathology determined for pay back.
Similar to racism education & LBGQ++ awareness
"it" just perpetuates the problem
among the "who cares" silent majority
sensitized by sexual preference &
media attention.
Similar to racism media attention.


Moi
Straight, White, Heterosexual
99&44/100ths Ashkenazi per 23AndMe

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If the "silent majority" did their part in confronting homophobia, which can often result in death, we wouldn't have an issue. The problem is evil prevails when good men do nothing. Again, if you truly, didn't care, you wouldn't even be here. I really don't care about football, yet you don't see me going on threads about football expressing my apathy towards the sports.

Cool.

 

Why would they? Why SHOULD they?

Being opposed to homosexuality is perfectly legitimate, legal, and as morally sound as being against any other perceived human 'error'. Besides, "homophobia" is like a religious term, and so has no value or utility outside the specific religion. It doesn't exist in my word, just as "transpohobia".

 

For the same reason why you would fight against slavery or the Holocaust. People are dying as a result of homophobia.

Except it does.

 

You are correct. However, the point behind doing things like that is to express one's negative feelings without actually saying them. It's a tool often used by passive-aggressive people that are uncomfortable with discussing their emotions and working through whatever is causing them angst. The is ALWAYS the reason behind any kind of abuse (verbal, mental, physical, financial, etc.). PA people don't know *how* to feel and they want their bad feeling to go away so they push it off on others. It's very destructive.

Think about it like this.

RELATIVELY WELL-ADJUSTED ---------------------------PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE----------------------------KILLER/RAPIST/PHYSICAL ABUSER

The PA person is constantly struggling to *appear* "normal" while desperately trying to hold down their internal pain. So, it comes out in snide comments, rudeness, dismissal, lying, a billion different negative coping tactics to avoid being alone with their own thoughts.

You can see this play out on this forum constantly. The most obvious one is "Who cares?" or "Why are we STILL talking about this?" or personal insults just a *hair* under the rules so they don't get deleted. Just a cursory look will show that, when presented with facts, statistics, any kind of data they don't like, they go silent, wait a few hours or even a couple of days and start over. They are stuck in an endless loop of pushing their pain onto others.

Here's the best part - you don't have receive it. They can't get fired up and volley anything back if you don't return the play.

I heard this eons ago and I love it -

 

Because, it is against the law. Being “opposed to homosexuality” is your right, but once you cross over that boundary of expressing that opposition as criminal, you deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Care to walk us through other human “errors”?

 

It's always best when one can be honest with themselves.
One has to be true to themselves before they can ever be true to others.

 

Why & What should they?
Isn't living life with a "who cares" attitude sufficient?


Moi

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"Who cares" played a major part in the Holocaust. Be that as it may, it's not really so much you don't care. It's more so that you DO care enough to browse through an LGBT sub forum to voice your insistence on your apathy and attempt to point the finger at me for attention seeking. No one cares that you don't care. If you don't like my apparently self serving thread, then don't post.

 

People die because they're murdered by crazy people. Unfortunately that will always happen, for all sorts of reasons (though craziness is the actual cause - the 'reason' is just the excuse). The vast majority of those who oppose homosexuality haven't killed, nor will ever kill.

The words exist, but have no meaning to those outside the 'religion'.

 

We all have different interpretations of 'error', according to our culture and religion etc. Outside of the criminal and the insane, no one really has the moral high ground.

Being opposed to homosexuality is no more illegal than being opposed to narcissists, or bullies.

 

You said: Being opposed to homosexuality is perfectly legitimate, legal, and as morally sound as being against any other perceived human 'error'.

That is your belief system and your opinion. Narcissistic people come in all forms, along with bullies.
I disagree with the notion of homosexuality is an “error”.

 

That's because YOUR personal philosophy doesn't list is as an error. Others do.

You want a multiculture? This is what it looks like. A wide range of moral and philosophical positions. To argue against that is to say you want brown people (for example) to just look exotic, but be 'white on the inside'.

 

Not sure what you are trying to argue here. Thread is about coming out, not other “errors” or personality issues, or “multi culture”.

I applaud the OP in his journey and courage. No one is forcing you to post in this thread.

 

I'm forcing him to post here. Why else would I have a gun in my avatar?

 

You responded to my post.

And the point about multiculturalism is well made, because these kinds of philosophies are very much cultural. If you don't accept that other cultures (whether personal or ethnicity-driven) might be stridently opposed to things you think are fine, then you don't accept any culture but your own.

 

It speaks to your point about football. There will always be negative Nelly’s conflating the issue, some are more nasty than others.

keep on keeping on!

 

I interpret The Bible the same as it seems you do now: homosexuality is not -in and of itself- a sin. I think there's plenty of Biblical context to suggest that God doesn't like it very much, but no more so than getting drunk, being wealthy, using foul language, etc, and I am all about some of those things /. God made yeast produce alcohol, after all, so maybe God made you gay too. I don't know, and neither does anyone else!!.

I suspect the generally negative portrayal of homosexuality in The Bible is largely if not entirely tied to God's first 'commandment' (floabt): "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it." With that in mind ...I hope you find some cute guy to settle down with to together raise some kids to be the reasonable, rational, hard working, God loving, gun toting patriotic Americans our future depends on.

 

Thanks, that means a lot. Right now I've yet to come out to those around me and dating someone before I'm ready to come out isn't an option right now. Although, judging by the comments made by my friends and coworkers, they probably know already, or at the very least wouldn't be surprised. The only people who would have a strong reaction is my family.

 

You should shake the theism while you're at it and embrace the universe as it really is.

 

I'm happy where I'm at right now. I'd much rather believe that God exist and be proven wrong when I die than the other way around. At least now, my faith doesn't make me a hateful science denying bigot.

 

Ah, Pascal's Wager.

Empty threats couldn't force me to go on torturing my mind over creationist claims. But it sounds like you've resolved that another way!

 

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter what we believe as long as we treat each other with respect and dignity. My faith, whether it's real or not, has helped me through some hard times. At the very least, I like the idea that someone hears and sees everything I go through and has a plan for me.

 

I can understand that. That's one of the things religion is generally good at. I recognize that a lot of people have a basic psychological need for that sort of thing.