One huge point against obamacare

Use common sense Obama care changed the rules,....yes millions got kicked off their health plans


And of course 20 million illegals drive up health care cost..

 

You lost the first argument now you lost this one, why don't you study a subject because I am a regular here now...

 

That's completely backwards.

For every bad story about the ACA there are thousands of good stories.

Did you get that claim from Russia Today Igor?

 

I see. So your defense is that you didn't make it up. Wingnut radio made it up. Point taken. But you are still guilty of repeating a lie.

And, of course, you conveniently "forgot" to read what follows

But those policyholders didn’t lose the ability to have insurance. In most cases, insurers offered them an alternative plan, though there were some instances of companies exiting the individual market altogether.

This is so dishonest of you on three levels.

1- You purposely left out a relevant part of the paragraph

2- Nobody lost their insurance because of Obamacare. Insurance companies, put them on alternative plan (I know because I'm one of these) which would be grandfathered for as long as they wanted. And this happened at the same time Obamacare kicked in. So they could opt for a new plan in the marketplace.

3- You dishonestly change the subject. None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the 20 million additional insured This refers exclusively to people who didn't have insurance before Obamacare, and did after. As I said, the plans insurance companies shut down were discontinued at the same time as the marketplace opened. So they were counted as insured before Obamacare, and they counted as insured after.

I'm not interested in wasting any more time on your dishonesty. And you have proven that you are not a serious poster.

 

If that is the case, then your previous comments make you look like a fool.

Maybe you are lucky enough to have never spent any significant time in a hospital, but if spending 4 days as an inpatient equals $60,000 and you honestly believe that is a fair price...then I don't know what I or anyone can say to you to enlighten you from your ignorance.

 

Now you are changing the goal post..


A simple yes or no did you lose your health plan


And got stuck with a higher one with crap you didn't want? CNN





UPS cuts insurance to 15,000 spouses, blames Obamacare
By Jose Pagliery
Updated 7:13 AM EDT, Thu August 22, 2013


(CNNMoney)United Parcel Service is planning to drop 15,000 workers' spouses from its health insurance plan, citing higher costs due to Obamacare.

In an undated memo to employees, UPS said it will discontinue coverage for all working spouses who are eligible for insurance with their own employer. That applies to about 15,000 spouses covered by UPS today.

The internal document was obtained by Kaiser Health News. UPS told the nonprofit news agency that the policy applies only to non-union U.S. workers. It hasn't responded to questions from CNNMoney

 

I so love when people try to revise history and change the goal post..youir plans where illegal, obama the messiah decided you couldn't choose what health care plans you wanted...



https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/amp/


now looks like ObamaCare will hurt twice as many people as it helps — because the law isn’t nearly done with canceling people’s insurance.

The 5 million-plus Americans who’ve seen their health plans canceled thanks to ObamaCare will be joined by millions more this year — because the Affordable Care Act makes their employer-provided policies illegal, as well.

ObamaCare defenders are trying to minimize the coming pain. Jonathan Gruber, an architect of the law, told The Washington Post that the number of “losers” who will have to pay more for the same or inferior coverage will be “very, very small.” Nonsense. ObamaCare exchange plans — the only option for most people who lose on-the-job coverage — are a raw deal.

Yet millions will get dropped from employer-provided coverage over the course of this year and be stuck with that alternative.

 

And just for memory sake ...
Obama care killed the recovery and made full time jobs to part time

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-obamacare-a-job-killer/




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MoneyWatch Small Business
Is Obamacare a job-killer.
Jul 26, 2013 7:00 AM EDT

(MoneyWatch) As Republicans in Congress continue trying to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, perhaps the most serious charge leveled against the health care law is that it is a "job-killer."

Critics say the ACA requirement that companies provide employees with health insurance is deterring employers from hiring and has slowed the recovery. Small businesses are particularly vulnerable, unable to afford the higher costs or the financial penalties for failing to offer health benefits

 

The first part is completely inaccurate. Shows you don't even know the basics about obamacare. However, the second part is true. And you can thank Republicans for that.

As would be expected from a true out-of-touch Republican, the many facets of homelessness are completely unknown to you.

Obamacare has decreased the rate at which healthcare costs have increased. But has not solved the problem.

More steps needed to be taken. It is doubtful that Trump will take the necessary steps. This is why it's amazing that so many Trump supporters voted against their own economic interest.

Healthcare is a basic human right. So through whatever means, it's the government's duty to uphold that right. So far it has not done so because Republicans will obstruct anything that will put Insurance Corporation's profits at risk.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

Oh... come on! Wake up!

You said Rush told the story of a family that would pay $50K a year through the marketplace. That can only be true for a family who can afford $50K a year.

And Rush is counting on the fact that so many Republicans don't know this to push a false narrative.... and you fell for it!

 

Good thing the left is no longer in power, who needs incompetent imbeciles who implement idiotic policies and then whine it's not us, it's the others in their safe spaces. The Dems are not mature enough to implement good policies and take responsibilities for their [countless] failures.

LOL, jeez, stop this "our increases are smaller than yours", "our sex predators are nicer than yours" gibberish, it's frankly embarrassing

Not fixing, scrapping and doing over is what needed. And Trump absolutely will not make it better, expecting the republicans to fix healthcare is as stupid as expecting the dems to stop race baiting or cancel affirmative actions. Fixing won't cut it anyway,

It is not. It should be but after 8 years of Obama and 8 years of Bill Clinton it still is not. And Hillary did not campaign on this either.

Yawn, here you go again. 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama, all talk, no actions, no results, idiotic policies, endless failures. Healthcare is way worse than in 2008 and you wonder why we've kicked their commie as*ses out of power all across the entire country, let alone the federal government.

 

I have insurance. The hospital will require me to pay my co-pay amount and I'll be done.

 

Never mind that those predictions turned out to be bogus

 

Link? That's like saying to me trickle down didn't work..

 

I honestly wished the GOP would have repealed Obamacare while Obama was President, then this country would be feeling it’s effects now.

This Country disreves nothing less than its Voters being right back in the same Bankrupt state it was in the 90’s. I long for The 60 Minitues Specials in Appalachia and the crying families and the dying of OxyContin.

 

You think it DID?

 

What would happen if it didn't?
Don't tell me pal you didn't see it coming ..

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dandia...-killer-heres-what-they-say-now/#aaef7ca32142

 

If trickle down didn't work?

Probably 35 years of the rich getting richer...the debt going through the roof and the middle class getting hosed.

Oh wait. That IS what happened

 

N-o-o-o-o, I said it was the best deal they could get with Obamacare, not that they took it. Rush never said anything about them taking it or being able to afford it. Rush never said anything about their political orientation.

DOG WHISTLE! Just because Rush says something doesn't make it a lie like Lefties are dog whistled to believe.

 

What "rest"?

 

What are you talking about? I just sent you a study were it's proven that they don't.

As far as somebody being "kicked off". The article you yourself quoted shows that they didn't.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

Of course I use common sense. And I also use facts. While you just make them up. Facts always expose Republican wingnut tallking points. And this is why they need to make up all the nutty "worldwide conspiracies"

 

Look at the top! It says "Opinion"

You counter the findings of an independent fact checker that you yourself brought up, by now quoting an opinion on the New York Post? Of course the opinions published there are anti-Obama. That is their stated position. They are owned by Rupert Murdoch

I provided facts, with references... Even using your own references... and you can only counter with this garbage?

Responding to you seriously is not worth the time.

 

I got news for you. I'm not in power. I only explain to you the facts. Can you counter those facts, or is this just going to be one long ad-hominem?

It's at least good to know that facts embarrass you. Because they should. Now... are you just going to sit there and whine about the facts or address them?

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We already established that.

Only a single-payer system will fix this. But we live in the real world, not in wishful-thinking world. Not going to happen. So, if Republicans are not going to fix it (and I agree that it's improbable), at least we can fight so they don't take us back to the non-regulated Corporate Insurance world that contributed to the death of 3700 people per day.

And Trump absolutely will not make it better, expecting the republicans to fix healthcare is as stupid as expecting the dems to stop race baiting or cancel affirmative actions. Fixing won't cut it anyway,

It's a human right regardless of whether we respect it or not. The Republican Party is a big powerful Party. Democrats cannot do this alone.

I do have to admit one thing: in the first 2 years of the Obama administration, he could have fixed this properly. He didn't need Republicans. Obama made a rookie mistake by trying to bring Republicans on board on healthcare. He didn't need them at that point. His mistake was not believing Mitch McConnell when he said that their first (and, apparently, only) priority was to make Obama fail.

 

I merely explained why you are not and why your side should not be... People who f*ck everything up and blame the opposition should be kicked out of power, just as the left was.

Obama did not do it, Hillary did not campaign on it, the Dem party does not support it, Obamacare pays trillions in premiums to the Insurance industry with taxpayers' money, if anything, it is a giant step in the direction opposite from single-payer system.

Obamacare added no meaningful regulations (besides the preexisting condition which we've agreed is good and should be kept). The insurance world is just as regulated (or non-regulated if you prefer) as it was in 2008 before Obamacare.

And the left that had campaigned on Healthcare issues for decades made it worse when the opportunity presented itself. Obamacare is a horrible abomination, it must be scrapped and a new Healthcare reform must be designed from scratch. Do you libs have any new proposals, cause I sure as hell haven't heard them?