One of the biggest lies in the current political divide

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    As I wander around face book and other media platforms-reading the various arguments of Democrat politicians, and their supporters, I constantly see two statements repeated over and over
    1) we need to BAN the sales of AR 15, and other "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines and:

    2) Gun rights advocates are paranoid for thinking anyone wants to confiscate their guns.

    Now let us be honest and intellectually consistent. If someone does not think I should be able to buy an AR 15 tomorrow or buy the normal capacity magazine for one of my many handguns next week, does anyone REALLY Believe they are accepting of me owning those items TODAY? The only reason, IMHO, why they make such bullshit claims is because they don't have the political power to confiscate those things they don't think we should be able to buy NOW. On top of this, it fits their incremental schemes to slowly ban firearms ownership.

    But again, who believes anyone who makes the claim that you should not be able to buy something who also says they have no desire to deprive you of the same thing you currently own. I sure do not
     
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    And all this from a group of people that have no idea what an "assault weapon" IS. No army in the world uses AR-15's. And an M1A does what an AR-15 does, only with a bigger bullet and at a longer range. Yet you never hear them talk about M1A's.
     
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    true. and if crime control was their real motivation-why do they want to ban firearms rarely used in crime?
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    We've got folks in the other place in a long discussion how all guns are just going to be banned, and there's nothing we're going to be able to do about it. Insane.
     
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    Texas is now officially a "sanctuary state" for the 2d Amendment. Just as California and other blue states are "sanctuary states" for illegal immigration and will no longer enforce federal immigration laws, Texas will no longer enforce federal firearms laws. TEXAS!! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!!!
     
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    Can anyone point out a society where guns went from perfectly legal and acceptable to completely illegal overnight?

    If they can I'm sure it's not many and it was in wartime or something. It's always death by a thousand paper cuts
     
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    Given the lack of knowledge typical of the banners, it wouldnt surprise me if many of them believe your current AR is going to 'expire' or something and then there wont be anymore... these are some really ignorant people we're talking about here.

    But by and large, logic has absolutely nothing to do with it. They dont care what happens after they ban your AR, whether you still have one or even whether criminals still shoot innocent people. They know once we achieve enough gun control, the media will stop blowing up their newsfeed with tearjerker stories about dead children and they'll be able to peacefully go back to hearing the bland, technical '3 shot at the liquormart on 39th, more at 11' that they can go back to ignoring because the stories wont be designed to hold them emotionally hostage anymore. Thats all they want. They dont actually give a F about guns or shootings or victims, they just want to stop being manipulated, and why should you have the right to hold their emotions hostage for your silly guns that just sit in your gunlocker? And it doesnt matter that its the media, not you, actually causing them so much discomfort- theres no 'make the news nice again' button they can push at the polling booth. But there is a 'ban guns' button they can push (even though it doesnt do anything...), and so they desperately push it because they think thats all they can do about it.
     
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    Note the thunderous silence from the left.
     
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    They cannot address it. Can anyone really honestly say that they are fine with you owning something but they don't think you should ever be able to buy another one of? Of course not. the only reason why the gun banners make such statements is that they know the payback would be hell if they tried to confiscate currently owned guns.
     
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    So, what was the "biggest lie" again?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that many gun banners say they only want to ban the sales of normal capacity magazines and AR 15 style rifles, not confiscate the ones currently being owned.
     
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    Yeah, and if you believe those banners, I have a real estate deal for you. Its a steal. A bridge, well traveled.. in Brooklyn. Cash only.
     
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    And they can't define what an "assault weapon" is. No army in the world uses the AR-15 because it cannot fire full auto.
    You never hear them talk about the M1A which does exactly the same thing (one trigger pull... one round fires) only with a much bigger bullet and at a much greater range.

    With that in mind, I wonder what they would say about the Kel Tec P50. Dems seem to know nothing about guns in terms of range, lethality, rate of fire, etc. All they seem to know is their relative "scariness". Talking to a Democrat about guns is like talking to a grammar school dropout about brain surgery.
     
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    And of all lies out there. that one id the biggest one, and you can't even prove that one.....
     
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    Have you read H.R.1808 or S.736, or every previous AWB in Congress?
     
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    My question was simple, so it should be easy to answer.
     
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    I'll post this til I'm blue in the face: a ban on all gun ownership and total confiscation is the goal, because as long as we're armed, they can't exert the kind of control over the population that they want to.
     
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    An M1A isn't as scary looking as an AR style rifle. They've spent a lot of time building the myth around the AR about how much more "high powered" it is and how fast it's rate of fire is and how highly lethal the .223/5.56 round is. I LOL everytime they go on about the "tumbling bullet" horseshit.

    No worries though, because the M1A is on the "to be banned" list, right along with the AR.
     
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    Lefties seem to embrace slogans, legends and misrepresentations without thought. As long as it makes them feel good or scares the crap out of them, they swallow the story without question.
     
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    There's a list in my world that says ban welfare... it probably won't go anywhere either.
     
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    It'll never happen here. We are now officially a "sanctuary state" for the Second Amendment. Using the blue state model of immigration sanctuary wherein state enforcement officials no longer enforce federal immigration laws, Texas is committed to not assisting in enforcement of federal gun laws.
     
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    I realize understanding logical deductions is hard for some but do you honestly believe someone can demand banning the complete sale of an item and pretending they are ok that millions of those items are in private hands?
     
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    Can you make one post without a strawman fallacy?
     
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    i think its only a matter of thousands more deaths by gunshot, if we live as a culture say another few decades guns will be a thing of the past 30-50 yrs, personally i have no use for them but i dont se a way to round up 100s of millions either
     

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