One question for Christians and one for Muslims neither can answer

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  1. Greenleft

    Greenleft Well-Known Member

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    If only all people professing to be Christian would concur with you. I'm guessing some might adopt this answer upon learning about it, but most I have spoken to did not think it through. There is also the deist perspective of the clockwork universe that has been discussed here, but that goes into the debate of the higher power being interventionist or not. None here have been able to reconcile that either.
     
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    History's most spiritually advanced teachers have taught that we are all a part of God; even that the Universe itself, and possibly (in modern context) multi-dimensional realities are all part of the substance of "All That Is" (God). From this perspective it is easy to conclude that there is an all-encompassing, constant, ongoing relationship between us and God, and that that process involves a continual learning in both directions--for us as individual conscious entities, and for God as the creative consciousness overlying us and everything else in creation. That relationship is eternal, constant and unfaltering. God grows from all our combined life experiences, and we grow as we learn to individually connect more directly with him spiritually over many reincarnations and lifetimes. It's a symbiotic relationship, and one unencumbered by judgments cited by the various earthbound religions. The purpose of this relationship is for everyone involved to continue to grow in levels of consciousness. From the earthly perspective, the core goal over incarnations would be to attain a level of conscious capable of loving everyone and everything as a segment or aspect of All That Is, and recognizing that all actions are equal and unjudged. . .all part of the yen-yang interplay of positive and negative energies that co-exist throughout all consciousness. In this sense, we are like individual waves or ripples and God is the ocean. We (along with everything else) are a part of HIM, and He is us and everything else combined in totality. . .All That Is. In this "deist" version of reality, a long, drawn out discussion of God's behavior toward us as individuals in the limited environment we function in as physical beings could take a very long time.
     
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    You have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think so?
     
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    The fact that your statement is clearly nonsense.
     
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    As an invention of the Catholic church, it probably means whatever they created it to mean.
     
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    not sure why a God would choose to come into the world through a child

    like my own religion, many myths exists in all religions
     
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    My question is rather, what happens if God only allows babies born of a legal marriage. Perhaps all of a sudden, all those without a legal marriage will notice that they are different.

    The primary purpose of earth is to provide a fair ground for everyone to make a choice. In the end humans will have to rely on faith to be saved. God thus won't make Himself more obvious than necessary. Thus He won't stop humans from having children outside marriage as long as this is how they exercise their freewill.
     
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    It's lust in any case, which is not what love is. Lust merely helps us perpetuate the species.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you wont get an answer because sky god isnt real. Thats why all religion has to make **** up along the way and are rife with contradiction. I used to tear on the religious but its too easy so I stopped. I believe in letting them believe as long as it doesnt affect me.
     
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    I used to tear on atheists all the time until they started reporting all of my posts, so I stopped.
     
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    To all who might post here again: read the whole thread before answering my original first question.

    I've already walked away with an answer which is both satisfactory and unsatisfactory. That is the deist clockwork universe theory where God creates the universe in an instant and lets all other events happen naturally without his finger guiding everything (that is directing the sperm cell to the egg personally). Satisfactory because it gives an explanation of how a creator could possibly work. Unsatisfactory because it is not my understanding that that is how the Yahweh of the Bible works as Christians cannot reconcile between Yahweh being an interventionist or non-interventionist deity.

    Others have just given me evasions like: It's not for us to know, the sin and creation are separate (which I do not accept) and God does not play by any rules. One nonperson went as far as insulting me. Conclusion: The Christians of this forum have surrendered any form of evangelism at least online. Since you have surrendered on evangelism here, any Christian trying to evangelize to me in real life will incur my verbal wrath.
     
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    why didnt god stop them from getting reported?
     
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    For the same reason He doesn't stop you from tearing on Christians.
     
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    he? God has genitals? For what purpose?
     
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    Dude, your wrath was obvious from the beginning. You are typical of the kind of people who come here and other places with an attitude, asking Christians and Jews loaded questions then insulting our intelligence when we don't play ball with you. If you don't want to hear the answers don't ask the question.
     
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    That's really a stupid question.
     
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    No it isnt as evidenced by your inability to answer it.
     
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    As it is with most stupid questions, I am unwilling to answer it, mainly because people who ask questions such as these would be incapable of understanding the answer.
     
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    hahah ok...you cant answer because you dont have one. God is a he....hmmm. How did you determine that claim? Did god tell you or did someone tell you what to think?
     
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    Is this what you think is tearing on Christians, asking stupid questions? Okay, here's the answer: God is not a person, so He's not male or female, He just calls Himself that. Any more dumb questions?
     
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    hahahha yes...how did you find that out?
     
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    hahah he bailed already
     
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    It is actually a very telling question as the Christian God is ALWAYS portrayed as male. In fact you just stated God is neither male or female, then called it a he.
     
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    A Seminary education.
     

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