Only potheads are pro-legalization of weed

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  1. robini123

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    Hypocricy is far removed from the very real harm a drug like crack does our society. As an American who spent nearly 3 Years in British Columbia I am perhaps more open to your argument than most as I have read about the Government run safe injection site in Vancouver BC. The idea of decriminalization should be explored case by case. But just making all legal because we are largely ineffective at enforcement could lead to other problems. Decriminalizing pot is a good start as it is a drug that IMO is safer than alcohol... but crack... that is a whole other story.
     
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    You're not going to see any spike in cocaine use. Like I said, anyone can already get any drug they want in the local ghetto. Would you rather them buy it from an authorized dealer or some gang banger?

    Heroin is more dangerous than cocaine, overdosing has become an epidemic, and the reason why people OD is because they get bad heroin. Now if they got their heroin from an authorized dealer (pharmacy or a store that specializes in selling drugs) at least the heroin wont be pure enough to cause an OD.

    Of course the government could tax drugs and reduce taxes in other areas.

    The positives of decriminalizing drugs outweigh the negatives.
     
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    I am not sure your line of reasoning can be very sound if you appeal to ignorance of the reason as to why Prohibition was repealed as a bad idea in modern times.

    In any case, you are mistaken that hypocrisy, as a form of repugnance, is not worse for our Body politic.
     
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    It's decided by we the people... as imperfect as that is. Pot is becoming legal because there has been a shift in the public perception of pot... this is how our government works. But I see no positive shift in the publics perception of crack any time soon. For the public to take a more tolerant view of crack, those who support its use would need to show its positives... which will be a hard sell.
     
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    Yes, the moral turpitude of bearing false witness to our Commerce Clause with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge.

    Some on the left have a good answer for that:

    Job 34:30 That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared.

    Still no consent agreements for policies public, from the right; some on the left, get it.
     
  6. robini123

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    I think you misunderstood what I was saying as perhaps I was not clear. I am not referring to prohibition as its a moot point IMO as it dealt with one specific drug. To me the pros of legalizing all drugs are less than the cons of legalizing them. But that is just my opinion and is not backed by any authority.
     
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    Yes. I'm not saying crack is a good thing. I'm not saying it's good for you, or that it's not potentially addictive and/or dangerous. What I AM saying is that the laws that make trafficking crack a crime cause MORE problems to our society than if it were legal, even if only by prescription. (Though I'm also not big on prescription only meds, as people should able to take whatever they want or need.)

    As much as 50% of murders in our country are a direct result of the so-called "War on Drugs", and let's not even mention how many people die in Mexico because of it.

    Fighting them by prohibiting them will NOT reduce demand, and where there is demand there will be supply. When it's an illegal substance that supply will be provided by people who use bullets instead of lawyers to settle disputes.
     
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    Yes, it was specific to a drug. A drug can be a drug. Any form of Prohibition is still repugnant to our Commerce Clause; there is no excuse for the right to claim to want to practice communism, outside of Cuba.
     
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    I never see crack becoming legal. mushrooms and cocaine possibly as they are natural....
     
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    I see better products at potentially lower prices competing for market share.
     
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    Twofold. First, if it's manufactured by a legitimate business, the chances of it being 10x more powerful than normal, and thus causing you to OD by taking what you thought was your "normal" dose is diminished by an order of magnitude. Second, by allowing legitimate businesses to handle the manufacturing and distribution of it, you reduce the number of killings on the street over perceived territory or other beefs by an order of magnitude.

    I'm not suggesting you do crack, in fact I'd recommend against it. But if you're going to regardless of my recommendation, I'd rather it be in the safest way possible.
     
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    I feel the same way after I have my wife's chili surprise and I go outside and let loose a rip-roaring fart and some guy comes up and demands that I fart somewhere else because the smell is making him sick. Too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bad, it's a free country! Well, that guy will never try that again with anyone else, of course I had to buy some new underwear, but it was worth it. :D
     
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    You farted first hence it's your space. If someone walks into your fart it's their fault.
     
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    uhhh if I walked into you it would be my problem, if you wander out and light up near me you will do the same thing everyone else does and get to steppn. In response to your last question, its not what I think, its what I know. A tough guy smoker loses to a tougher guy non smoker every time.
    So what did you do to the person who tried it with you once? wheeze on them, cough on them or a combination of the two?
    I realize that some people are so weak willed that they will willingly let a company addict them to a drug which will eventually kill them for profit and these weak willed people know this but don't care, in fact they defend it and I find that fascinating.
    Ever throw your cigarettes out the window?
     
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    I dont smoke weed, and I am pro legalisation. Why? its not because i think that weed is in any way healthy for people, its just that, if parents are able to teach children at a young age how not to abuse drugs, then it may work out better than what is going on today. Kids have no idea what they are doing, and so they end up overdosing, getting into legal trouble, drinking until death, and God knows what else. If all of the drugs are legal unless you go over a certain amount, then society would be in better shape than it is right now as far as drugs are concerned.
     
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    Only the right would prefer the communism of the coercive use of force of the State to "tell the People" how to run their lives; over bearing True Witness to our Commerce Clause.
     
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    I got to admit that is a very good argument. Perhaps because it's an argument of the lesser of two evils that makes me uncomfortable. I do absolutely agree to your correlation between illicit drugs and murder rates. Some food for thought... thanks.
     
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    Crack and all other drugs are sold freely at outrageous profits in every city in the US. Making them illegal has done nothing except cost us trillions in enforcement and incarceration.
     
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    That is a bennifit of legalization not use. What is the positive of ingesting crack? If there is none and there is only harm to the individual and society that will make legalization a hard sell. I see a negitive for both making it legal and keeping it illegal... which is worse... I am not sure. Do you see a downside to legalization? Unforeseen consequences? IMO this angle needs to be explored also.
     
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    It is a mind altering substance. For whatever reason, us humans like those. Telling us we're "not allowed" to use them isn't going to stop us.
     
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    Indeed, but harmful action should not be allowed especially if it harms others. But an easy counter to my argument is alcohol and alcoholics so I cede the point. Many can drink alcohol without harming themselves or others, but I am not sure the same can be said of crack.
     
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    I have little personal experience with crack, but greater than zero, and what little I have does the same can be said of crack.
     
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    I doubt that. Have you ever had a chocolate bar?



    70% of all products sold in the economy "go up in smoke", or rather are consumed and can't be resold. So what?
     
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    Spanking children is empirically unproductive and people still do it with righteous fervor. It's more productive for people to smoke pot than to spank their children. Not both, or neither...but either/or.
     
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    You are either trolling, or too stupid for words. I can't decided which, but this is my contribution to your thread. I'm afraid to type anything else for fear of telling you how I really feel and getting banned.
    Oh, hell, I'll try anyway - public health crisis?!? ROFL - the drug that you can't die from is a crisis? WHAT drugs are YOU on? And using your logic, alcohol isn't a civil liberty either, do you support making it illegal, and repeating the mistakes of prohibition? Don't answer that, I already know the answer. Oh and one last thing, while I have smoked marijuana in the past, I quit it (and rather easily), therefore, not everyone who thinks the least harmful drug known to man should be legal is a pothead, try and keep this in mind the next time you have a rum and coke, alcohol kills 40,000 ppl a year in this country.

    No charge for the education.
     

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