Only the total majority vote!

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know what you are taking about. My namesake escaped from a tyrant French King to participate fully in the American Revolutionary War - he was the son Washington never had.

    As for the Civil War, from here: France and the American Civil War - excerpt:
     
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  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not, I was born in the US and I vote for presidents. I am also obliged to pay US taxes.

    What the hell more do you want.

    If you don't like what I am writing, then why not understand that this is a DEBATE FORUM and not a Message Board for cynical ranting ... !
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was not just one or two professional psychologists who signed onto that assessment. Sixty-thousand did!

    Read a history of Donald Dork. This is not an "issue" about his character that came-up because he is PotUS. It was reported that, as young adult, his father could no longer handle him, so he was sent to a Military Academy. If you don't want to believe his upbringing, then this WashPo article might help you: Confident. Incorrigible. Bully: Little Donny was a lot like candidate Donald Trump

    He hasn't changed one iota. He still thinks he's "Always Right" regardless of the situation or circumstance because he refuses (supposedly) to be "blinded" by the facts. He has all the attributes of a Narcissistic Personality, to which have attested a good number of psychologists ... !
     
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    And yet Im the one who stated a fact and you're the one who did not, instead opting to use bold coloured text to get your non-point across.


    I didn't say there were no nations worldwide which use a national popular vote, just that majoritarian nations - ex-British dominions - use a system which is effectively the electoral college.

    People within electorates vote and then the winner takes all of that vote within the electorate appoints the executive.

    The difference is that this is even less geared toward the popular vote than the electoral college, as the electorates are smaller than states.

    You are wrong that this will produce the same result as an NPV - as an example in the 1990 Auatralian Federal election we elected Bob Hawke when his opposition had a majority of the vote.

    There is nothing undemocratic about any of this. Democracy on a local scale is still democracy.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are insisting that non-Americans are allowed to vote (in CA) in political elections.

    When the evidence has been shown that they are uniquely allowed to vote only on schooling-matters locally ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, gerrymandering is somewhat common in a good many countries.

    List of countries where gerrymandering exists, here. For the European Union (of 28 states):
    *France
    *Germany
    *Greece
    *Hungary
    *Ireland
    *Spain
    *UK (where it is allowed ONLY in Northern Ireland)

    Now, if you read through the explanation for each country, you will find that the gerrymandering is in no way equivalent to what is happening in the US.

    But, at least the article does point out that gerrymandering does exist elsewhere other than the US. That fact, however, does not make it right and proper.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, you presume all the Mexicans illegally crossing the border are totallly honest. Crossing the border is not legal. They came here dishonestly.

    That plus CA refuses to check them out. That and our registering form merely has them sign the form. No checks are ever performed.

    Democrats allow them to openly vote as you pointed out. We do not provide illegals a separate ballot. They vote on school matters on the same voting form as we all use.
     
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    Wrong. Well, mostly anyway. I suppose Congress could pass legislation requiring States to report popular votes, but the Constitution dictates that the EC elects the POTUS, and the Electors are selected however the State Legislators decide, as they are also Constitutionally empowered with determining how the Electors are selected. They could choose to flip a coin or a game of Texas-hold-em and it would be totally legal and Constitutional. The Congress cannot change that. In fact, there are ZERO federal votes for anything. Not POTUS, not VPOTUS, not any Cabinet position, not any law, not any referendum, not anything. The only to change that is a con-con, an Amendment (or 5), or an outright Civil War.
     
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    Don't like it? Tough caca for you.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ouppps, yes, I forgot about that.

    I could care less about the "honesty" of Mexicans. If they have American nationality, they deserve to be treated like everybody else. And I also believe - as do all the EU countries - that just because you've set foot in a country DOES NOT MAKE ONE AUTOMATICALLY ABLE TO ADOPT THE NATIONALITY. That is EU law today.

    As an American in France I must verify my nationality in order to vote in the US. And because I am a non-resident (of the US) I am not able to contribute to a candidate's election. Which does not bother me, because I don't see why TV-commercials should be allowed for local/state/national elections.

    We should not be "selling" politicians - and the commercials are mind-blowingly stoopid!


    I have been suggesting for a long, long time that the US should adopt an Identity Card. It will help solve and even prevent a great many crimes. But, it will most certainly stop voting fraud.

    But, of course, if you-plural think the Russians are coming and you need to own a gun to "defend yourself", then that's the fault of who? Besides, it is inadmissible that the guns should be employed to massacre people. My European friends cannot understand why the US allows it. (Of course, confiscating all the automatic weapons is going to be very, very difficult.)
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Keep trucking, Sam.

    This site really needs more BS ... !
     
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    Do you vote in any French election? And you know how small France really is and how there the French protect their own identity.

    Democrats here in CA do not care about protecting our own identity ergo they refuse to have a card to prove citizenship. But they did adopt a huge roadblock for we CA citizens just to fly in a passenger jet. The roadblock has our DMV clogged so tight just to get an appointment takes 4 months.

    So long as the Mexicans are trying to otherwise obey laws here, they probably do not vote. But when a city says they get to vote, they will and do vote.
     
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    No body here cares what you want or for your opinion. We'll do it our way. Go eat some snails.
     
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    And, that is the problem. None of them have seen him. You may have said one saw him? I don't think Trump could get an honest assessment today. Maybe, before he won the presidency.
     
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    CA is not registering them but they damn sure aren't doing a damn thing from stopping them from registering themselves. They ARE however, looking the other way and pretending it's not happening.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've already proposed many a time on this forum the necessity of an Identity Card created at birth and available at an adult-age.

    I was told many a time "It's not necessary in a free country like the US."

    Bollocks! It is necessary NOW more than ever ... !
     
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    Only a genuine American Identity Card, established at birth, can do so ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Narcissism is a mental-illness that needs no real in-depth soul-searching to find it. It is very obvious from even common conversation.

    As Donald Dork is proving when tweeting his nonsense every damn day ...
     
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    Not really a constitutional issue. But presidents are elected by states, not by individuals. One hopes the states vote in concert with the will of their voters. I realize the left would like to get rid of those pesky states and run everything from Washington but they wrong to want this.
     
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    Sorry, the founding fathers put the electoral college in place to keep concentrations of poor from voting themselves more tax money handouts. They concentrate where the handouts are the greatest as you can see by the map.
     
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    I'm sorry too! What you write above is untrue! There weren't any handouts in 1776, when the Constitution was written and signed. Except one.

    To the Southern states that would not acknowledge the essential characteristic of a Truly Free Democracy. That is, the full-bearing right of all human-beings to participate in a democratic selection of their National Executive! (Where a truly democratic republic consists of an Executive, a Legislature and a Judiciary!)

    A mistake was made more than two centuries ago FOR NO GOOD REASON! That is, the manipulations of the popular-vote - which is the essential characteristic of a Freely Democratic Republic - by means of Gerrymandering or an Electoral College (with a Winner-Takes-All-Voting-Rule that denies the popular-vote of "losers"), which is anti-democratic!

    You've obviously never taken a serious course in Civics - one that would have demonstrated what is written above ... !
     
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    Again, one must understand that we are not a Democracy that rules by majority vote but a Republic which votes to protect the rights of the minority also.
     
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    Again, one must understand that we are not a Democracy that rules by majority vote but a Republic which votes to protect the rights of the minority also.
     
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    I take issue with that. White middle class Americans live just as long as any other nations people. I don't have to go anywhere else to live longer.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet another Replicant who has never taken a course in Civics.

    Or English, for that matter, because you seem not to understand English all that well either. The two words "Democracy and Republic" are synonymous!

    Meaning that the US is both a democracy and a republic. From the Cambridge dictionary of the English language:
    Definition "democracy" - the belief in freedom and equality between people ... in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves:
    Definition "republic" - a country without a king or queen, usually governed by elected representatives of the people and a president

    Now YOU explain the fundamental difference between the two definitions above such that YOUR ASSERTION is correct and I am wrong ...
     
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