Oops! Russian Military In Nato Country

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Italians were shocked at how fast the Russians came.

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    Over the past 24 hours in a major move, Russia has sent an unprecedented military humanitarian mission to Italy, a NATO country, which in its official press reports tactfully called “an operational group of military doctors, specialists in the field of virology and epidemiology, with modern equipment for diagnosis and disinfection.”

    “In fact, Italians were dumbfounded by the speed of our group, they simply were not ready to take our planes in such numbers, ” the Russian military told KP.ru.

    The (Russian) capabilities made it possible for them to land one plane every two hours.”
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    If I recall correctly, Isn't there a Catholic prophecy about the Russian flag flying on the Vatican? It would be a nice gesture of gratitude.


     
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    Let's be honest here, the credit should really go to Nato for surrounding and threatening Russia, because without that, Russia wouldn't be in such a high level of preparedness, that it's able to help a Nato country.

    Units will be deployed in Bergamo and carry out tasks both in the city itself and in nearby settlements. Medical specialists will go to the central hospital of Bergamo and to the officers hospital of the Alpine Corps in the suburbs.

    Specialists of radiochemical and biological protection will be disinfecting transport, and the internal and external walls of hospitals, as well as vehicles that transport the dead.




     
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    Good for the Russians. Even a broken clock is correct twice each day.

    Although I'm a Reagan/hard line conservative, I would like to see a lot more of this going both ways with Russia. But not China. Screw China.
     
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    Yeah. NATO only serves the interests of the US, so it seams. And Donald is just appalled that it doesn't work like that.


    I heard that the Italians also welcomed in the Chinese and Cubans.
     
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    Just look at you and your Russian propaganda. Pretty hard to tell the difference between Russian and GOP propaganda lately.
     
  6. Jeannette

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    Uhhh! Didn't Warsaw ban the Russian flights from going to Italy to help them out?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There was a time when we were the first to help nations in need - but not anymore.




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    We'll go now and free them all
    to show them that we're standing tall
    besides them, as they fight and kill
    each other.

    But never think that the melee
    will make us go away.
    When what it does is stir us on
    for more each passing day.-
    Jeannette
     
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    As long as they didn’t land by parachute, probably nothing to worry about
     
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    We've learned there is no pleasing the world. No matter what we do, they complain.

    Atlas shrugged.
     
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    The EU does not share the same Russiaphobia as in the US. You won't find them hiding under the desk practicing duck and cover.
     
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    RE: Oops! Russian Military In Nato Country
    ⁜→ et al,

    BLUF: There is nothing that prevents a NATO Member from establishing a relationship with the Russian Federation; to include military assistance. NATO cannot interfere with and members domestic policy on foreign military assistance.

    (COMMENT)

    The sad fact is, the US is no longer capable of projecting the same level of military might, assistance, and influence it had prior to the various military expeditions in the Middle East and North Africa Region. The days of the Flexible response defense strategy and the Two-and-a-half war doctrine are long since gone.

    Don't get me wrong, the US Military still ranks #1 in the world. But the question becomes - how much of it can it deploy and at what cost?

    Remember, the US Air Force has a fair number of assets already in Europe and a few contingents in Italy; not to mention the Naval Air Stations.

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    It is true that we no longer have the same ability to project power but - we never had that with Russia anyway - We are not going to attack the Russian homeland and they not ours due to MAD .. and realistically we would not attack a nuclear equipped nation in general.

    Now with missile technology advancing beyond the ability to defend - the cost of projecting power against smaller nations is going up.

    The EU is more than capable of defending itself. - they are not going to war with Russia either - for the same reason.

    The question is then what is the point of all these toys. Military is no longer the strongest piece on the geopolitical chessboard. The battle being fought is economic - and that is where our attention should be. Not on useless regime change wars costing Trillions of dollars that could have been used to ensure our economic security in the 3rd millennium.
     
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    As far as I know, NATO operations have helped many countries but never the U.S. Where did you get such an incorrect opinion?


    And?
     
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    Afghanistan was a NATO thing, helping out the US with their neo-colonial game.
     
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    That is help to protect Afghanistan, not to protect the U.S. What is the difference between 'neo-colonial' and 'colonial?' Bad post.
     
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    RE: Oops! Russian Military In Nato Country
    ⁜→ et al,

    BLUF: The Military Strength is an essential Diplomatic tool.

    (COMMENT)

    Yes, but the importance of the ability to project power is in recruiting and maintaining an infrastructure of allies (not to intimidate the Russian Federation). Such allies must have trust and confidence in American abilities. Very important is the ability to command the respect of potential adversaries.

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    (COMMENT)

    Well, this has been a problem for which a solution has eluded America for more than half a century.

    The latent aspect of strength and effectiveness of American Diplomacy. For decades, the backbone for American Diplomacy has been the respect the US Military commanded and the foreign aid packages America spread. When you actually look at the Diplomatic Corps within the foreign service, you begin to see exactly how weak America has become.

    Just My Thought,


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    lol
    Protect Afghanistan? It was to protect the US against a possible next 911.
    The US than applied their neo-colonial thuggish policies. They switched from Al Qaida to the Taliban, in an attempt to get a different government for all of Afghanistan. The US army surveyed the lands of Afghanistan to find massive amounts of natural resources. That kind of neo-colonialism. It failed. The Taliban won.
     
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    You can believe whatever you like.
     
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    Everybody can look up that the US army surveyed the lands of Afghanistan for the sake to mine for natural resources.
     
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    RE: Oops! Russian Military In Nato Country
    ⁜→ fmw, et al,

    BLUF: It is NOT neo-colonialism or any related political propaganda sound-bite.

    (COMMENT)

    I served with the Allied Command Europe (ACE) at SHAPE Belgium before the collapse of the former Soviet Union. The NATO aspect and contribution in Afghanistan is solely based on the intergovernmental military alliance to defend its members from an attack. The working phrase was: An attack against one was an attack against all. The threat organization of al-Qaeda (a militant multi-national Islamic Jihadist threat) was behind an attack against America (a NATO member nation) and the Afghan Government [the Taliban - Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (IEA)] played a major role in providing cover, concealment, and protection for al-Qaeda for its central headquarters and training facility in the Tora Bora Mountain Complex. It was the activation of the mutual defense clause that drew NATO into the quarrel with the Jihadist, Independent Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters - and - the Taliban (as a terrorist-supporting government).

    See: S/RES/1373 (2001) ,Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nation:

    1. Decides that all States shall:
    (a) Prevent and suppress the financing of terrorist acts;​

    Just My Thought,

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    Military strength is a diplomatic tool - but only for non nuclear powers. Nations who are subject to attack.

    After the wall fell - Russia realized it could not match the US plane for plane - ship for ship. They then focused their efforts on niche technologies - missile technology being one area. You can build a whole lot of anti ship missiles - at 1 million a pop - for the price of a 15 Billion dollar aircraft carrier - the battle group - and operation costs.

    In the early-mid 90's - Russia introduced the Sunburn -anti ship missile - a supersonic sea skimming cruise missile. When detected at the horizon - the ship had 45-50 seconds to react. This technology was a decade ahead of anything we had and our ships had no defense.

    Later versions were faster - reducing reaction time to below 30 seconds - smart -stealthy and maneuverable - able to take evasive actions.

    Hitting a missile with a missile is ridiculously difficult - even if it is following a predictable parabolic path. Hitting a missile that can maneuver is possible - but not reliably so and more of a function of luck. Even if we had better missile intercept technology - it would not matter because the enemy can fire more missiles than we can defend against - "saturation".

    In the late 90's - India and Russia started working together on missile technology - shortly after China joined in. If you thought the stuff Iran fielded against the Saudi Refinery and our base was impressive - and truly it was ... this is nothing compared to what the Russia-China- India consortia is fielding. The Patriot system failed against the Iranian technology. It is extremely difficult to detect and hit a cruise missile.

    Now there are drone-cruse missile hybrids. Missile technology has advance much faster than the ability to defend.

    Since we are not going to war with China or Russia - this technology is not that much of a worry on this basis. The problem is that this technology is rapidly spreading to non nuclear nations who we may at some point be fighting.

    The cost of projecting power has increased - similar to what happened to the British Empire and Roman Empire.

    The Brit's had the gatling gun - with one gunship could take over an entire African nation - fighting back with sticks and stones. Technology spreads - at some point the African nation gets the gun. Now sending one gunship is not enough - you have to send an entire armada -and you will take many casualties - and this is expensive.

    Eventually the return on investment goes negative - a point which we reached long ago - and it continues to get worse.


    Not half a century - in 1970 we were the only economic game in town - all we needed to do was whisper our desires into the ear of some nation and they would come running to comply - because they wanted to play in our economy.

    China exceeded the US economy in terms of purchasing power in 2013. The EU has an economy the same size as ours. Lump India in with a couple others and you have another economy the same size as the US.

    We are not the only game in town anymore - but - our leaders act as if we are - and this is a huge blunder on the geopolitical chessboard.
    It is hard to make good moves based on a flawed assessment of the position on the board.
     
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    NATO is a Cold War relic, so yeah......
     
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    Odd that you say that. The GOP told you that Russia was our greatest political threat and our last President laughed hysterically. The alt left radicals can never get their story straight.
     
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    Yeah, nobody is paying attention to the Russian hoax anymore. Just like everyone conveniently forgot about Obama mocking Romney, the 80’s is calling and wants it’s foreign policy back, remember that? The irony is, that Obama was right, all the more making this Russia hysteria even more a farce.
    Fact remains is that Russia is a second rate super power, and has been superpower who only poses a threat to its former vassal states. They did make a hilarious boogie man for democrats to try and depose Trump. That flopped, just like the impeachment farce.
    The US has only one true rival, and that’s China, and it’s been that way since the collapse of the Soviet Union. That’s a fact.
     
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    That is a great punchline for a joke I will not tell.
     

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