Opening the Country: Trump's two faces

Not you! People! It's a generic "you".

How do people not stay around other people if they have to work, or go to a doctor, or buy things they need to... exist?

 

Those people make the choice to go out there....they are free to do it....I am really not sure what you are complaining about here.....if you don't want to be around people stay at home....you aren't forced to go out

 

Why do right wingers think I'm talking specifically about them?

Looks like they got that from Trump. But when I say "you", it's a generic "you". Read as "how would people..." etc.

I appreciate your "If they don't have bread, let them eat cake" style response. But the "you" I'm talking about are the people who actually have to work to earn their living and raise their children. Not about people who order their groceries on their Alexa.

 

They are free to do it. But they are not free to not do it!

I'm sure you (personally) are happy kicking your boots, and easing into your La-z-boy before screaming out "Alexa, order my groceries". But there are people out there who actually have to work to raise real children. And if all they can get is a job packing the shelves at the supermarket, you right-wingers don't have a right to contaminate their air by advocating for the CDC guidelines to be ignored.

Of course, expecting a Trump supporter to care about unnecessarily putting human life at risk is like expecting Trump himself to care about human beings. The only small bit of a silver lining is that the majority of the victims of your reckless and inhuman political position are in the demographics that would normally support Trump: The elderly and the not very bright. It's just unfortunate that innocent people who have no choice are also taken along for the ride.

 

I love grocery shopping by the way.
i have noticed a lot more people ordering pick up from Walmart or the grocery since this...that’s not my cup of tea though

Anyway that is my point...people have to and want to work...not sure why you don’t want them to. It s their rights. Just because you are scared, doesn’t mean you have the right to tell others they can’t.

 

So here we are. Right back where we started. With the Trump loyalist who doesn't understand how pandemics works. Except now we know for sure that it's not because it hasn't been explained to you. There are still some possible motives left explain that before we get to the nasty ones that would prompt a mod to step in. But not many...

 

We know how pandemics work as well as you do. We also know that people want to get back to work. They do not have to go back to work under the same conditions they were working in before. They can take precautions. Separation and shields and whatever else it takes. The risks are never going to be zero. They aren't zero on anything else we do and there is no reason to expect it to be so for this.

Some states and areas can safely do a lot more than some states such as New York. Even some parts of New York state could open up.

 

Maybe you are just not a good explainer and are basically talking in circles so you can blame trump for actually doing what you agree with

 

Trump is still locking down the travel industry - 100 of millions of dollars lost to hotels, airlines and restaurants.
So what is it Mr. Trump? Is it safe to open up or not? The US already has one of the highest infection rates in the world, so letting others in doesn't really matter anymore ... unless
getting the virus is actually still a concern.

 

Trump has shut down most foreign travel, so he has plenty of authority to impact the economy of the nation's travel industry ... but if you want to pretend that Trump doesn't have pull, and he's just a dick-head
taking up space - I guess you must know what you're talking about.

 

Go Trump ...

 

LOL, are you saying your guy just piles them up in one waiting room Damn dump that guy and get someone more in tune with todays standards. My doctors waiting room has been setup that way for 10 years

 

Our infection rate is lower than most countries. We have the highest number of infections because we have the most people.

 

Funny, that just how the original Capt was and how and why it hit an iceberg.. BTW he was a British merchant navy officer and a bonified leftist

 

We also test more people.

 

Sorry, but everything you say here is irrelevant to anything I have said in this debate. In the sense that it doesn't address the one and only fundamental point: do all that but follow the guidelines!

If that is not front and central in what you say that means that, you can go through all the "motions", but you fundamentally don't understand the pandemic.

BTW, when I mention "guidelines", I'm talking about the current guidelines. Because there is an obvious push by this pseudo-president* to substitute science and facts for partisan politics. And I'm not sure they won't give in to political pressure. They've already fired people who oppose the politicization of the pandemic, so... I think we may still be in for a "ride"

 

Why is that of any relevance? We are faaaar behind where we should be in testing.

Comparing us to countries that had an effective initial response to the virus is ludicrous. We need more testing because we started way too late.

 

Did you not read my post. "They do not have to go back to work under the same conditions they were working in before. They can take precautions. Separation and shields and whatever else it takes. The risks are never going to be zero."

I understand it just as well as you. Probably better. I have seen nothing in your rhetoric that indicates otherwise.

 

The message is simple: follow the CDC guidelines. If we don't, it will take longer to reactivate the economy, and more people will die unnecessarily. Not difficult to explain. Not sure for whom this would be difficult to understand.

A different matter is understanding why. Which requires some mental effort. But the most difficult of all is accepting facts that are contrary to the political dogma that this pseudo-president* spews.

 

So. According to your logic, if we don't use the words "current guidelines":, we don't understand the pandemic. Do you have any other "key words" that we must use in order to show that we understand the pandemic? I want to make sure I memorize all the correct phrases and words so that I completely understand the pandemic.

If I threw in the word "science" I would understand it even better.

 

It's not....nobody is saying don't follow the guidelines...social distance.

If you are willing to follow the guidelines, then it's not a problem at all. If you are too scared, stay home.

 

There's this guy... you might have heard his name. Something like Donaldo Trumpo.

There are also many people on this forum. All of them supporters of the above nut. They say that the country should open now! As do many on the streets who scream "Liberate Michigans!" and "Liberate..." this and that at the top of their lungs. And they carry weapons with them because.... I don't know why.... To prove that they're intellectual disability is profound, I guess....

It's great that you're not one of any of the above!

 

Trump has not ever said open right away or not follow social distancing