Orban in Hungary makes street homeless people to be criminals!

Rules by Hitler ... maybe, because your comparison Orban - Hitler maybe fits in matter "on the highway to become a fascist dictatorship country!!

 

Sorry, he has caused it in wide parts ... because he simply let the refugees who entered the EU area in Hungary for a long time in ... what is against the contract he signed ... and deliberately let them through to their destinations in the rest of the EU, because he won't have them! Actually, how about we would have to send him back all the refugees who came to the EU via Hungary?

And he might not turn Hungary ... he still has done it!

 

No ... the thread is about the bad and criminal behavior towards the homeless people on the streets in Hungary!

 

You don't get to define what is or isn't criminal, they do.
And boy does it make you sore that you don't rule in Europe.

Ask yourself the next question, what are they going to do with the illegal homeless?
Answer: House them.

O boy o boy o boy, this is all so evil and criminal.
Just because they didn't let you rule.
They won't let you have your empire and bow to you.
OOO that must sting so.

Now if all the homeless get put in death camps and gulags to be used as slave labour, I'll change my tune.
I don't think I'll have to and I know that you don't actually give a **** about the homeless anyway. And just want an excuse to have a go at Hungry for refusing to obey you.
So you won't be reporting back in 6 months and saying "do you know what guys, I was wrong nothing bad came of this". Instead you will have moved on to the next thing you can come up with to associate your political rival with Hitler.

One thing is absolutely guaranteed, it won't be the first.

 

It does not matter, Mandelus. Either we (people) achieve representation by war or by Democratic vote. Orban is offering the Hungarian people representation by Democratic vote. What else do you want to know?

 

Trump will leave if he loose any elections. There is no risk in USA of dictatorship, massive riots or public violences, yes.

Western democracies were models, they don't make anybody dream anymore, at the opposite, on some positions they're counter models.

I have difficulties to have an opinion about Orban. I don't trust any side. If I consider things under my logic, that's quite simple, Orban is a politician, so he is an ******* and a whore.

 

You are at a grave disadvantage to the subject of politics and the EU.

On one hand, you say "more government is bad government" on the other hand you say you are "surprised all those European countries fell for the EU concept" as though you believe it strengthens your negative view of "more government". Your understanding is at cross wires because a central EU government concept is meant to reduce "more government".

So, dissatisfaction within the EU is due to "less government" (less choice, leaning towards Fascism) ... not "more government". More government is in multi-political philosophy which is a good thing. A very good thing.

 

So, if these people who set up housekeeping in a public square, instead of going to a homeless shelter, why should this be allowed, under law? Now, if there are not enough homeless shelters, that is, the homeless exceed the shelters, then that would be a horse of a different color. So which is it? Are there sufficient shelters provided, but some people refuse to use them and live habitually on the streets? If this is the case, you have a very weak argument, and even nonsensical, IMO.

Of course if this guy is actually in the process of turning democracy into a dictatorship, then no one in their right mind would be in support of this. I don't know enough about him and Hungary, to know if indeed this is what the guy is trying to do.

I do not think that equating all people right of center as being in the vein of Hitler is at all accurate, no more than calling someone left of center an outright communist. Not when americans or others who believe in economic nationalism, i.e. putting your own citizens above the chinese, economically are nazis as we tend to hear from the loony tune folks on the modern Left.

 

So we disagree.

 

Those homeless people are not illegal immigrants?

 

It is a mistake to assume they did.
Most were signed up to it without their consent or against their will.

Their governments wanted it. Their countries? Most weren't asked. Those that were, had be asked again, lol.

 

Seems unlikely

Hungary isn't famous for allowing illegal migrants.

 

Nuh uh.
Sorry.
Less government does not lean to fascism.
More government does.

Fascism is state control over just about every aspect of life. Totalitarianism.
State control over industry, social services. The military. Propaganda. Recreation. All of it.

Extreme collectivism.

You've got this the wrong way round mate.

Liberalism, the opposite of fascism, leans to less government.

More government is a good thing for socialists.
The rest if us liberals don't agree.
We are anti authoritarian, right wing. Liberal.
Small state. Not large.
The closer to home a democracy is governed and the smaller it is, the more power you have over it as an individual. The more liberty and freedom you have to do as you please.

 

'Our Constitution' is unwritten and according to Charter 88 was destroyed by Thatcher back in the 80's. According to Polls I was looking at today 50% of Brits apparently think Trump is cool. Where the UK up till now has been saved from having it's democracy interfered with has been in it's English courts. They have not ruled in favour of any of the things which have come up to defeat democratic rights. That is one place where I find the UK much stronger in the checks and balances than the US, France and Germany. England has recently developed lots of grass roots left groups so is certainly stronger than it was a couple of years ago...though at the moment I think the only thing that is holding democratic rights going in England is the courts. Will they continue, who knows. The US though is further down the road particularly with new appointments to the Supreme Court. I think you are being naive if you do not acknowledge that fascism could very easily be the future of the US and much of Europe. No one for instance would have ever guessed that Germany would have moved that way in the 30's and Germany was certainly not the only country moving to the far right then, just as it is not now..... and then the conditions were very much as they are now. Try thinking just about the movement there has been on this site in even the past five years. There are people now repeating things from White Nationalist sites as if they are a perfectly normal view. Such people I think would deny they are far right and they may very well believe they are not but they have moved there. That seems to be pretty much as it is....and that also seems to be pretty much how it is achieved in that most people are not even aware of what they are doing. I think I read once you have something like a third of the people up for it, it can come into being and we certainly do have that in places now. None of our Governments are admitting to the problem which is obvious. Neo Liberalism does not work just like Communism does not work.

and no, I am not a fascist supporter.

 

This happens all over the place in Los Angeles, mostly the rich areas.

Pretty bold though to enforce it in your whole country.

 

So true

The MSM keeps preaching that just because Hungarians disagree, they are now an evil dictatorship.

Meanwhile, none elected EU officials are considered paragons of Democracy and all along, the news lemmings then spew the same nonsensical claim.

Meanwhile, Orban got over 2,824,000 votes, while his opposition had over 1,092,000.

Hearing how people can claim their choices are not Democratic is really scary.

 

Yes. The globalists are calling Orban "this" and "that" but the truth .... THE REAL TRUTH is that he is keeping Hungary & all of the Viesgrád group DEMOCRATIC. The news lemmings (as you call them) are fake newsmongers. The situation today is beginning to resemble Hungary in 1956. I hope this time the former Warsaw Pact nations will support Hungary to victory! And then the rest of Europe can give globalism 'the finger'.

 

Good ... I am also not

The general problem with Orban / Hungary is something, where I can only shake my head about anyone who supports Orban. In general it is of course the own internal issue of Hungary what they do so far and normally I would give a crap on it ... but:
Any country was and is so far free to decide to enter the EU ... or even to leave as the UK does with the Brexit. For entering the EU and becoming a member, they have to fullfill standards and rules and they have to sign a contract in which they obligate to follow them in all future etc. Some of these things they sign are the untouchable basic democratic core values and rules, such as separation of powers and independent justice, dreedom of press and Speech .. without which no single democracy will work or be a real democracy without opening the door to dictatorship! It is precisely these things that Orban and his government have gradually and cleverly done away with, and that is why he has the main trouble with the EU because he refuses to comply with these things.

In addition, it is the issue with the refugees, where he is also against the EU ... but if you take it exactly, it is a big piece of fault that this flood of refugees came to the EU. He has an EU external border with Hungary and thus has the contractual obligation to take care of these refugees who want to come in through his Hungarian border. Taking care of them means gathering, registering and identifying these people in accordance with European and international regulations and agreements, as well as taking care of asylum or not asylum at the EU. Has Orban fulfilled this obligation? No ... not only did he have an open border, which I do not blame him for, but he let all the people go unchecked through Hungary to us and even to you in the UK ... just because he did not feel like it to have these people with you and the others should take care of it!

And then come here in this forum people who celebrate Orban as a hero because he opposes the will of the evil EU ... without being interested in the reasons why Orban has trouble with the EU as explained above ... because they give a crap to it.
I feel that as extremely naughty, outrageous, hypocritical and stupid and such people I can not really take serious because of this stupid behaviour.

P.S.
And here the issue with the homeless to become criminal because being homeless is something which did the last times the Nazis in Germany and later the communists in Eastern Europe... and again celebrate people Orban for this step he did here. How do you call this?

 

Maybe some of them ... but the majority are poor Hungarians with the same bad and sad stories how to become homeless as many Americans have them too in the US cities!

 

I've rarely read such a total bullshit here!

So it's perfectly democratic when a government bans and disempowers the Constitutional Court through the back door, controls and censors the media, or makes homeless people criminals because they're homeless?

And do not even dream of saying that it's fake news, because that's a proven fact!

 

OP

It's probably Orban's way of saying there are already enough 'refugees' in his country and he doesn't want any more lest it brings about social instability? Maybe there's a lesson there for other Euro states - although it would come far too late for a few of them, notably the Scandinavian ones.

 

Your problem is the same as the many who do not understand what DEMOCRACY stands for. But it's not my responsibility to teach you.

 

Democracy is inconvenient to those who would rule.
Because it is designed to prevent them from doing so and not to enable them to.

EU fans discussing Democracy is high comedy indeed.
Nobody looks to you for lessons in Democracy. Dream on.

You don't get it, you think Democracy gives you mandate to rule and so you make a big show of being democratic. But it is a sham Democracy.
You don't like the real thing at all.

Real Democracy leaves EU leaders unelected, unemployed and at home.
They ****ing hate it.



The indignant and righteous vitriol of the poison left, is born out of their feelings of losing control.
But they never had it.

They hate Orban, they hate Trump, they hate Brexit, they hate Kavanaugh.
Hate this "populist revolt".


They hate not being in control.
And that is the same reason they hate Democracy.

 

Boring

 

This might seem shocking coming from somebody like me but I believe in helping the poor and homeless not abandoning them where I speak as a former person who once had the unfortunate experience living in the gutter of society.
[Almost a small decade..]

Homelessness should not be criminalized, we should desire in wanting to help out our fellow man if they can be helped.

I believe in shelter and housing for all, worker apprenticeship programs, and where education is a right for all people having access to. Anything less is immoral and unethical.