Order restored. Balance of power alive and well, thanks, US constitution

That's all nonsense. Trump, who's worked with the mafia and used his wealth to play outside of the law for decades, doesn't give a damn about laws or justice. He wanted dirt on Biden. If Trump truly wanted an investigation into Biden, he could have gone through the proper channels. I definitely want Trump removed from office, but I take offense at your suggestion that I would stoop to Trumpian tactics for the sake of removing someone I don't like from office. Trump's actions set a terrible precident.

 

Asking another countries leader to investigate corruption is not an abuse of power and is support as the responsibilty of the executive branch in the constitution.

 

You mean the mafia that controlled the unions in partnership with the Democrats?? That mafia??

The Democratic Party and unions that beat up, intimidated, and otherwise terrorized anyone who questioned their books, tactics, or authority??

The mafia and Democratic Party who had the power to deny permits, contracts, and contractors??

Besides, Trump was a Democrat back in those days, so that makes it alright - right??

P.S. Business in the big cities, all controlled by Democrats, is still a cesspool of corruption. Payoffs, kickbacks, graft... the Dems wouldn't have it any other way.

 

So you just deflected in a few different directions. As much as I hate Trump, I am a reasonable man and I consider impeachment a serious tool. I didn't like Bush and I hated Reagan, but I never advocated for their impeachment. I will even admit that Obama's Fast And Furious scandal warranted more investigation. Trump demonstrably committed high crimes and for that he deserves to be removed. His political allegiance is irrelevant.

 

And here as a libertarian who did not vote for Trump - I think it's much more reasonable to conclude that asking for investigations into the Bidens and Burisma was perfectly reasonable.

Afterall, my tax $$$ were being hijacked in that fraud.

Heard today that Romney had a staffer, or relative on the board of Burisma (can't remember the connection, and I was too busy today to dig into it).

I have no problem bringing any and all down; however, I think the logical place to start is inside our institutions - which, let's face it, are closely tied to the Democratic Party.

Until we clean up the FBI, DOJ, NSA, and CIA, it will be impossible to honestly investigate anyone.

 

If the Senate could have voted anonymously on Trump last week, I believe we would have a President Pence right now.

 

Maybe, there are a lot of swamp monsters in both parties. Trump is a threat to their gravy train of corruption.

Don't you get that??

 

Joe Six Pack. You mean the working class lifelong Democrat who became deplorable after Progressive Fascists turned the Democratic Party's back on him?

,,, And the temper tantrum over your own party's bungling continues.

 

Yes, it absolutely is. Especially when considering it was the announcement of an investigation against a political rival for his personal political benefit in an upcoming election he was really after. It's not only an abuse of power, it's illegal.

"The head of the Federal Election Commission released a statement on Thursday evening reiterating, emphatically, that foreign assistance is illegal in U.S. elections.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ wrote Ellen Weintraub, chairwoman of the FEC. “This is not a novel concept.“
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/13/fec-election-foreign-trump-1364598

Now that his illegal scheme has been exposed el Duce Don continues to pursue something he can smear Biden with to distract from his own corruption thanks to Slimy Rudy.

Lindsey Graham says DOJ is receiving Ukraine information from Giuliani
https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graham-giuliani-bidens-doj-6aedf3b2-b157-4e18-b70d-36b35fd55616.html

Keep in mind, the goal here is to insinuate wrongdoing since there is no actual proof of it. Team Turd will make sure unsubstantiated claims continue to pop up in right wing media outlets and let the conspiracy theorists take over from there. It's a repeat of the playbook from 2016.

 

If Barack Obama had investigated his predecessor for his crimes in taking the country to war, the country would have been much better off seeing the criminals prosecuted. Instead, the message was loud and clear: "those in government are above the law."

 

I'll be happy to give examples, but our discussion has been (from my end) more general--more philosophical--than tied to specific issues. I'm not avoiding discussing specifics if that's what you want. Name some you're concerned with or interested in.

You've found fault with my lack of specific examples, but have you noticed how you've avoided responding to my points that I & many liberals want to work with conservatives to fix the growing breach between us? You never respond in a positive way. You simply ignore it or changed the subject. That exemplifies my point that conservatives have become hardened to the point of wanting no compromises that can make the nation function in a more healthy way. Conservatives appear to want it all their way, or the highway. Several forum conservatives have already proposed splitting the country into left/right smaller nation states, as if that would be an answer. For me, that's sheer stupidity--& a glowering example of conservative lack of love or support for America as a country, or Americans as a people. Conservatives seem to be regarding their fellow Americans as their enemy. As a liberal, & a Democrat, I state here & now, in no uncertain terms, I don't feel that way toward them. But it takes all of us to make a nation. Neither of us can do it alone.

 

You want to wrap yourself in the flag, sing kumbaya and make nice?? Yet admit you're a liberal democrat??

The Democratic Party has degenerated into a party of hate-filled, venom spewing, Marxist loving bigots.

Disagree with a democrat?? And you're labeled a racist, a homophobe, xenophobic, etc. Pretty tough to have a discussion with someone when that is their opening "argument".

Your party stands against everything America was founded upon - most importantly to me, freedom.

We have no common ground upon which to have a discussion. The party you've thrown in with abandoned any vestige of decency and Americanism decades ago.

 

Your post simply proves my point. Trump Republicans are so full of themselves there's no room for respecting others who think differently. I won't bother telling you how much of your post is wrong. But it's a lot.

 

Um. They did.

 

You assert you’re reasonable.

Can you provide one shred of evidence that trump asked for an investigation into Burisma and Biden for the sole purpose of benefiting his campaign as opposed to asking in order to address a corrupt ex VP?

 

I'm not a "Trump Republican". I'm a libertarian, and did not vote for Trump. I voted for Gary Johnson.

I'm a third party arbiter, and I can tell you from personal experience, vast personal experience, that Republicans will discuss ideas all day long; and, we can usually find a lot of common ground, and where we can't, we can agree to disagree.

Democrats on the other hand, rarely engage in discussion b/c they are so emotionally invested (just waiting to be triggered) that they can't rationally defend their positions, let alone consider counterargument.

It's certainly that way with my family and friends. The lone exception to that rule would be my step-father, who is an avowed communist, and readily admits he has no idea what's going on, lol... yet, he faithfully votes a straight Democratic ticket every election.

"The Ragin Cajun", James Carville took to the talk shows this week saying the same thing - literally saying "we've lost our minds". He's trying to warn his fellow Democrats to get a grip, before it's too late for your party.

 

Um, who is "they", and what did "they" do?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

 

Yes, I knew about that.

The efforts of any 2 congressmen from the other party to impeach a sitting president usually fail, as we have just seen last month. So I'm not sure of your point here.

In my previous post to which you replied, I noted POTUS Obama rejected any investigation into Bush's crimes.

Can you tell the difference in quality between Kucinich's efforts and the lack of effort by Obama, or is that too subtle?

 

Okay but............you don't really believe that nonsense, do you?

 

It's not nonsense. Biden was clearly, overtly engaged in corruption. Even Obama's corrupt State Department flagged it as a conflict of interest.

What was nonsense was the entire impeachment charade.

 

Make your case.

 

It's common knowledge, and you know it.

Try honesty for just one day to see what it feels like

 

Well, the Republicans voted against witness testimony, so . . . .

 

Note to Suzie collins........you blew it.............and we told you so.

LTC. Vindman and inexplicably his brother have been retaliated against.
So has Gordo Sondland.
Four prosecutors have resigned because Don interfered in the sentencing recommendation of a friend, Roger Stone, convicted of 7 felonies.
He is trying to intimidate the judge in that case.
Now this.......
President Donald Trump withdrew a high-profile Treasury Department nomination over the nominee’s old job, as top federal cop in Washington, D.C., reports indicate.

Jessie Liu, the former U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, was scheduled for a confirmation hearing Thursday for her nomination to become Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Crimes. But Trump abruptly pulled the nomination Tuesday night.

Now, multiple outlets report that the change was a result of Liu’s old job, where she supervised a number of politically sensitive cases including those against Trump confidante Roger Stone and former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...eys-nomination-to-politically-sensitive-cases

Don's tweets make it clear, despite his denials, Billy the Bagman did his bidding with regard to Stone's sentencing recommendation.

Donzo the Clown has unleashed his fury on democracy..........and Repubs are as silent as lambs.

Order restored?