Oregon fines Salem gym $90,000 for staying open, violating COVID-19 order

Apparently the order has the force of law.

 

You'll have to ask them. That it's been done, tells me they have the authority.

What makes you think they don't?

 

We hear all the time that we need to pay low wage workers a living wage or give them social programs. These are typically people who have made decisions that result in these circumstances.

The left is typically all about the need for welfare as these people are "victims".

When small business is shut down, by no choice of their own, nor by their decision, then the left says "too bad".

When Republicans say that democrats are not business friendly or that their priorities are askew... this thread is the basis for that assumption.

 

No.

You refusal to answer the question is why.

 

They locked down quite strictly from the very beginning, though they let up fairly quickly too.

They tested very extensively and they contact traced everyone who was positive. If you don't do that it's like you are fighting a fire blindfolded.

They had extensive supplies of PPE on hand. They had their hospitals ready

They might have done other things. I don't know, I'm not an epidemiologist, just someone who can read numbers and observe what people do.


It was done with informed knowledge and a lot of that knowledge came from our own CDC. We had a branch of the CDC called the Office of Pandemic Awareness, which was leftover from the SARS epidemic under Obama. They kept supplies of PPE and even conducted drills for hospitals to deal with pandemics in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Trump was scheduled to attend one of these when he was President-elect but AFAIK he didn't. Instead one of his first acts as President was to disband this office since it was an Obama idea and it was better that thousands of Americans die rather than having anything started by the Hated Black Muslim continuing

 

off the top of my head, immigration and discrimination laws.

 

You are in support of the weeks long lock downs? Since the science stopped 1.75M people from dying.
I guess they work?

 

It depends on their Constitutions but they have pretty broad powers to do things to deal with emergencies. These things don't last very long before the legislature has to step in and they need a real emergency to exist, but that's the nature of them. Conservatives seem to think that Governors have to just sit by and watch people die and have the whole state go to hell in a handbasket until the legislature comes back in session.

Unless, of course, it involves peaceful demonstrators and some windows have been broken. Then vigilantes should be authorized right away and start shooting people dead immediately

 

Health and safety are the first to go when you have to put food on your table or your son needs to repeat a semester studying medieval rap music at the Sorbonne

 

I'm not an employer. Trump is. Maybe he's breaking those laws.

 

What law is that?

 

Besides the obscene and obnoxious notion that Trump is apparently responsible for every Covid death in this country, here’s a little knowledge on who was going to die anyway.

“The average length of stay before death was 13.7 months, while the median was five months. Fifty-three percent of nursing home residents in the study died within six months.

Since the coronavirus pandemic began, nursing home residents have accounted for 35-40% of all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S.”

So a very large portion of Covid deaths were guaranteed to die anyway within the year. Maybe they died a few months early? Maybe they would have lasted the full year? We’ll NEVER KNOW.

What we do know is Covid deaths would have happened no matter who was in office since people have died all over the world. Plenty of higher death percentages all over EU proves that fact. And The president telling people to use masks does NOT guarantee a single saved life since we were hearing it from endless sources. The knowledge was there. The suggestions were well know. Considering the vast majority of deaths have happened in blue states, who don’t give a **** what Trump says, what does that say about Democrats?

They flaunted and ignored social distance guidelines all Summer as well as Democrat leaders getting caught red handed. Dems totally ignored these guidelines and risked their lives to party it up when Biden won. So, again, what would have changed? NOTHING! You know it. Everyone knows it. Countries with far harsher lockdown measures are going through spikes AGAIN. And we all know from the doctors own mouths, lockdowns were ALWAYS about relieving stress on the hospitals, NOT saving significant numbers of lives. They all knew people were going to die and will continue to die. And those dying fall into fairly predictable demographics. Elderly, sick or pre existing conditions. NOT children! NOT healthy teens!! NOT young adults! NOT even the middle aged are heavily affected. Old and sick or just unhealthy. Those are the facts. Choose to ignore them. Choose to blame Trump like an ignorant mouth breather. Choose to make up excuses and pass blame. Choose to ignore how much more serious Trump actually took it back in Feb and March. He still spoke off the cuff and said stupid things. But his actions did NOT kill anyone. Very easy to track Dem leader behaviors and quotes back when this started. It’s ALL there clear as crystal!!! I know watching CNN shields you from the actual truth, but that’s YOUR problem. You choose ignorance. Not anyone else’s fault but your own.

 

That doesn't make it a law. It isn't how laws are enacted. Laws are not enacted in an authoritarian manner.

 

I know that. I didn't elaborate. It has the force of law, which makes it very similar in execution.

 

I have plenty, you being uninformed doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

 

He said the dems reaction was a hoax, and he was right. They have been all over the place with this virus and only have used it as a political attack.

 

In USA, because tRUMP lied to the American people and told us it will magically disappear, it is called rightfully, the tRUMPvirus.

 

You mean dem mayors and governors didn't hire as many illegals as tRUMP companies did? Is that the defiance you speak of?

 

It's an objective truth it means just that.

 

The objective truth is I am right. Your refusal to do your own research is not my fault

 

if you are unwilling to provide anything to back up your statements, I will just have to assume you have nothing

 

Trump played it down, Trump lied to the people, the only hoax in all this is Diaper Donald

 

You can assume whatever you want, but the reality is I am correct. It’s not my fault you so t wanna do any research.

 

Trump took action long before democrats. Democrat policy’s like putting infected people in old folks homes cost lives.

 

all States did this, no state filled their hospital beds with the elderly diagnosed with COVID-19 that did not show symptoms, they do not have enough hospital beds


"The Trump Administration’s Deregulation of Nursing Homes Leaves Seniors and Disabled at Higher Risk for COVID-19"

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...leaves-seniors-disabled-higher-risk-covid-19/

"Why are nursing homes being hit so hard by the outbreak? One reason is that they are a target of the Trump administration’s aggressive deregulation agenda."

"In response, the nursing home lobby again advocated for less oversight, and in July 2019, the Trump administration proposed new rules relaxing the requirements tied to infection control. It suggested that consultants could be used, instead of requiring infection specialists to be employed at the site, at minimum, on a part-time basis. This meant that there was no longer a requirement for a full-time, hands-on expert in infection contamination on-site."

the reality is, Nursing Homes should have separated infected people, they failed to do this, hospitals could not give up a bed for everyone that showed no symptoms and tested positive, not enough beds