Oregon fines Salem gym $90,000 for staying open, violating COVID-19 order

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if you were correct, providing a link would be easy....
     
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    The blame game regarding the virus is partisan politics at its worst.
     
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    Easy yet something I simply won’t do. It’s your job to be informed not my job to make you be informed
     
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    Incorrect, again your failure of being informed is no ones fault but your own. Cuomo put infected people in old folks homes costing people thier lives. His idiotic mistake goes unnoticed by the uninformed but regardless he has blood on his hands. As much as he would love to blame Trump there is no rational manner to do so. You are posting fake news, in addition to failing to understand whatnot is that your article is even claiming. You view headlines and leave it there lol.

    nonetheless, Trump took action to Save lives and saved millions in doing so. Dems cost them with thier failed policies.
     
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    well, without anything to back up your opinion, I will just have to ignore it
     
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    So what is your excuse for Cuomo putting COVID-19 infected people into New York nursing homes when there was a Navy hospital ship strictly for COVID-19 infected patients sitting empty for months in NYC’s harbor?
     
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    I just posted the facts, again you have nothing to counter it
     
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    name one State putting covid positive elderly in hospital beds when they show no symptoms
     
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    Deflection is a cowardly tactic. Don’t answer a question with another unrelated question. Unless you’re already conceding defeat?
     
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    you can't even show us one state doing that, come on man
     
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    cause you can't find a link
     
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    Talking like a Bidenbunny already. What’s your excuse for Cuomo doing it?
     
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    no State is putting the elderly in hospital beds that do not show symptoms

    if Trump thinks this should be done, why has he not issued guidelines to do so?
     
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    Why do you keep avoiding the question of why Cuomo killed elderly people by placing COVID-19 patients into New York nursing homes?
     
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    I answered your question, same reason every other state is not putting the elderly in hospital beds if they show no symptoms

    not sure how many times I need to repeat myself for it to sink in though
     
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    You are projecting
     
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    You posted fake news, I countered with the facts.

    You simply dont want to recognize that because it conflicts with your world view.
     
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    I dont care what you choose to ignore, it wouldn't be the first time you have chosen to ignore the reality you dont like.
     
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    I must be right as you still have not shown us one
     
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    Because that's not how laws are made!!! Do you remember schoolhouse rock from when you were a kid? When the little cartoon explained that he was "just a bill", and he was waiting on Capital Hill to get approved? And that if he got approved, he then went to the President to get either signed into law or vetoed? 'Memba that? Well, that's how it works at the State level, too. States have Legislatures, which are functional equivalents of the Congress only at the State level. It is their job to propose, debate, and pass bills (or not), and then send them to the Governor for his/her approval (or veto), and then, and only then, do you have a new law.

    Governors, like Presidents, are not royalty, they are not Kings (or Princes or Dukes, or whatever the proper title would be), and they do not have the authority to simply make laws by pulling them out of their asses and declaring them to be so. And just because "it's been done" doesn't make it right, legal, or Constitutional. It certainly would not be the first time a President or Governor has had their hands slapped down by a Court for trying to do something they don't have the authority to do. But for that to happen, someone has to file a suit, it has to wind it's way through the system, and ultimately be ruled on by whatever the highest Court is that's germane to the case. That is a process that takes years, costs huge sums of money, and then, only if it's successful (some Courts have made some mind-numbingly boneheaded rulings from time to time), only then will it (hopefully) be ruled that they don't have the authority they tried to grab out of thin air.

    Did your school not offer civics lessons?? Do you seriously think that these officials have the power to just do whatever the hell they feel like doing?
     
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    Does the US Government have the authority to do that? If you think so, please quote me the Article(s) and/or Amendment(s) that grant them that power.

    And how exactly do you propose we do that without violating the 4th Amendment?

    And who is responsible for ensuring such supplies exist? Is that the Government's responsibility?

    I'm not even going to bother responding to your "it happened because Trump hates black muslims" drivel.
     
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    As you Repubs like to say.

    If they had just obeyed the law, they wouldnt have gotten shot..... er I mean fined.
     
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    Actually, if it were soley up to Trump, it would be much higher than that.

    The communities being hit hardest by this virus, are the ones he hates the most. I believe that if he could REALLY do what he wanted, he would actually encourage the spreading of the virus in minority communities.
     
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    Wait, are you actually suggesting that they should be putting asymptomatic people into hospital beds? That's simply not how things work. No matter what the disease or condition is. Hospital beds have always been reserved for those who demonstrate an urgent and present need for them, and that will never change.
     
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