Oregon shooter's dad: 'That's what guns are, the killers'

That's right, guns are the killers. It wasn't Chris Harper Mercer, it was the guns.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/us/oregon-shooting-father-gun-control/

Ian Mercer: "I'm a great believer (in) you don't buy guns, don't buy guns, you don't buy guns."

Right, buying a gun makes you a mass murderer! There must be around 100 million mass murderers in the US then.

Perhaps the father is where the insanity came from. MOD EDIT - Rule 2

 

Of course. Blaming a gun, an inanimate object, is the easy thing to do. It's the refuge of the intellectually shallow, and those who're simply clueless and irrationally fearful of guns. I'd imagine that he's trying to distance himself from his son as well, appears to be a pattern. Where were you Papa Mercer? Could you not find the strength and dignity to be there for your son? Is you subconscious eating away at you? Boys need fathers... boys need real men in their lives.

 

Someone should remind that Englishman the IRA did pretty good without guns.

 

His father has a British accent, probably pro gun ban. Besides he IS the perp's father...What better way to displace the blame? His SON just MURDERED 9 innocent souls....It wasn't a GUN suddenly getting up and killing innocent people it was his SON...The guy is probably in shock. I wouldn't trust anything he says. I hope he and his family can come to grips with this. I know gun enthusiasts who have far more than 13 guns and they are decidedly NOT going to shoot up a college classroom. There are undoubtedly deeper problems here.

Meanwhile we are being told to disarm ourselves just in case our gun will cause us to commit mayhem. This is insane thinking.

 

I own firearms and I've never shot anyone. I have no intention to shoot anyone. My gun has shot nobody against my will.

The two states with the lowest gun homicide rates? Vermont and New Hampshire. 40%+ gun ownership rates in both. Washington DC has a 3% ownership rate, Massachucetts 12%, California 20%. All of these states have high rates of gun homicide.

So clearly it's not the guns alone which are causing the gun crime. Other factors are at play. Here, I'll give you a couple:

1. Population density - the DC/Baltimore area is packed with gun crime because everyone's crammed into modern liberal cities. In rural states gun crime is significantly less common. Even in rural areas of urban states. Yet, because of a highly centralized government structure, big cities are able to force pointless regulation on rural areas where it makes no sense whatsoever.

2. Demographics - poor, inner city minorities commit a lot of crime. This is mostly due to a lack of economic incentive to improve their lives, but also a thriving gang culture. Therefore, places with large poor populations do worse: much of the South. Curiously, these states rarely have laissez-faire gun policy. The South fares quite poorly on that issue.

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It's quite simple really. Let the (usually) totalitarian states with big cities (NY, CA, MI, MA, IL, etc) enact whatever gun control they want, and allow more rural states to have constitutional carry and ownership of class 3 NFA weapons. Repeal all Federal legislation.

Additionally, let rural areas of populous states a bit more leeway. Stop letting metropolitan areas dominate the policy of rural areas.

 

It's not the guns, it's the mindset that makes people want guns.

It's he idea that guns are a solution to any kind of problem.

It's the system that allows them to be so readily available to people with mental illness.

It's the nonchalant acceptance of mass shootings as a norm of today.

It's the casual acceptance of murder and gang culture.

It's the loss of he value of human life.

 

The mindset that makes certain types want guns.

I don't think anyone is actually making that argument.

There is a problem here, but the solution is tricky. We have to find a way to deny mental cases guns, without denying constitutional rights to individuals who're not a threat in reality. We have to find a way to keep people with anti-2A agendas from denying rights to people who fit some kind of broad definition of 'crazy'.

I think we have become a bit numb, but it's not simply because we've become accustomed to domestic gun violence, it's also because we look at the world around us, we look at the news from the endless war zones around the world, whether the U.S. is involved or not. Violence is pandemic, and I believe most of us understand this unconsciously.

Ha, good luck on that point. This isn't an issue for some!

Perhaps, but I'd wager that human life is considered just as valuable today, maybe more so, than at any other point in history.

 

At times, owning guns are likely to be shooters rather than not owning, since on impulse people can shoot if the gun is accessible or if not it is in possession the shooting can be put off. Arming oneself with guns is a matter of right when it comes to self defense but in most cases it has been used more for shooting than for self defending.

 

If you mean the IRA were effective at killing innocent British and Irish civilians (with the help of Irish-Americans) and you consider that as doing well (as opposed to 'doing good' - which presupposes virtuous and charitable acts,) then perhaps you ought to inform yourself as to how the Irish Republican Army carried out those attacks. They certainly used bombs but were well enough armed in the conventional sense (thanks again to Irish-Americans).

 

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Dad blames guns and not the free will of his son's actions.

By liberal logic the kid is a victim and not a criminal.

Libs should cut the family a $7 million dollar check like they did to the family of another famous career victim.

 

Someone is trying to pass the blame for a failure in parenting.

 

It takes a deranged mind to pull the trigger on a gun that kills someone.

 

"Certain types" want guns? There are over 200 million of the wretched things in circulation. Seems there are also a lot of these 'certain types' wanting guns then. America is obsessed with guns. Why is this only obvious to anyone outside America?

 

The dad, even though he is going through a hard time about his son, is an idiot in this matter. If I place a gun on a chair, it will in fact not rise up, aim and shoot me. There has to be some action beyond the gun for that to happen.

A gun is a tool and cannot do anything unless there is outside interaction of some sort.

 

People are also obsessed with cars and people driving cars kill thousands of people each year. Is it time to ban cars too?

Again, a gun is a tool and CANNOT do ANYTHING without some outside interaction. Blaming guns is like blaming food because you are fat or blaming the pen for writing something inflammatory. Blaming inanimate objects is a lazy attempt to blame something else other than the person responsible for the action.

 

Just an embarrassed father.

I guess we should start blaming the cars for the accidents. The ink for misspelling a word. The President for droning a hospital. Oh wait, we can't do that last one. Makes me racist or something

 

...who is innocent.

Just finishing your sentence to makes it correct😉

 

The dad is a moron. Where's the mother?

 

Looks like mom is the gun nut.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...open-carries-assault-rifles-mood-strikes.html

 

I guess I would have to ask WHERE daddy was when his son was buying guns.

 

Having a gun makes killing much easier than with other weapons.

Without a gun this guy might not have killed 9, Lanza most likely couldn't have killed 27.

Nothing can prevent gun violence, but tighter gun control would reduce it. Simple logic.

 

Because they have accepted the fact that anyone bigger and stronger than themselves can beat them down and take anything they want including their lives. In the U.S. we believe that God created man and Sam Colt made us equal where the big and strong can't take advantage of the small and weak without getting shot.

 

Poor Dad, probably still suffering from this one and doesnt want to blame his son...so it's the guns. Distraught people arent always the best choices for rational answers.

 

A couple of questions to you as a responsible gun owner:

Brain tumors can cause personality changes. The same goes for depression. Depression can hit anyone at any time. While depressive people are more likely to kill themselves than others, I wold not be surprised to find out that the Oregon shooter was depressed. In fact, he seemed to have been posting on the internet on his inability to find friends / a girlfriend.

Are you certain that you will never be affected by one of those, or other mental illnesses? If you were, would you give up your guns voluntarily? Would you be okay for law enforcement to take away your guns or lock you up in a mental institution?

It seems that you are currently a responsible gun owner. However, every gun owner is responsible (the Oregon shooter was too, before he started killing), until they are not. So, how can I tell which gun owner is responsible and who isn't, and when they will become irresponsible?