Oregon's drug decriminalization effort a 'tragedy'

There are laws made to protect people all the time. Overdoses are up and it’s destroying lives. That’s not authoritarian that’s for the good of the people.

 

Money is the root of most crime, A woman has the right to self defense even if she did at one point in time invite someone into her. The mask mandate should only not be a thing if we are vaccinated? Well, that's been the prevailing reality so far hasn't it. I agree, as long as there is a vaccine, there may not have to be a mask mandate.
You support failed policy is all, my position is of those many people have, consistent people who are against tyranny, "weaklings" included.
I forgot Trump supporters do that double think thing, hold hypocritical positions in order to exert control. Have fun with such contradictory beliefs yourself, it just leads to failed policy every time.

 

There are plenty of freedoms if abused that would yield the same if not a worse result. Laws only work if they solve the problem.
Prohibition has not solved that problem.

 

The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves.

This is cyclical. We get tough on crime, then we don't like the way that ruins lives, so we stop part of the barbarism. We got tough on crime in the Great Depression. In the 60s/70s there was a movement to make justice rational. Now we're swinging back the other way.

The way out of this is to value people. It's the civilised thing to do.

 

It has most definitely helped in the area of saving lives. The less we enforce the more people overdose. That definitely seems to be a trend

 

The Drug War increased drug use, and has killed thousand upon thousands.

That's the opposite of saving lives...

 

Now that drugs are decriminalized in this particular state drug use has increased. So I find that statement dishonest

 

First, that article is typical Fox trash. You're supposed to take the trash out, not in...

Second, it has to be a national policy, or you get people moving there from other areas.

Third, Covid has made a lot of things worse, and drug use is clearly one of them. You need actual studies, not BS.

 

Vancouver is decriminalizing hard drugs soon.
I think it will be helpful when done in tandem with social programs to help identify and assist drug users.

 

Ok I see, when a guy you likes is totally wrong and brags about a bill as his key bill in his career, it is ok. The nice thing about a Democrat is no matter what you say are do just fall in line with with what the party says and you are ok. Just like Bryd, say you like racial equally and being a leader of the KKK is forgotten. Hell you will even get Hillary to show up at you retirement party and mention him as a friend and mentor and reminisce of the old days. And 9n top of that we will reward the KKK member by making him the long serving member of congress. No how dirt your past fall in line and Democrats are fine with it.

 

You're babbling.

You don't have a rebut, so you just shovel the same old crap that isn't the least bit relevant to the discussion.. or accurate.

 

It's not robust enough, is the short answer. It's very hard to do a well-controlled study in social science, but Fox's article is just lazy because they care about making a partisan point, not the truth. But remember what happened with alcohol prohibition. Did it solve our alcohol problems? No. It funded organized crime and made alcohol more unsafe in multiple ways. Being unregulated, it was dangerous but people did it anyway. It became more potent, in part because it had to be illegally transported and one needed to fit more into a smaller, more discrete space. Perhaps overall use went down, but irresponsible and dangerous use went up. It was a net negative. That experiment was a failure, such a failure that the incredible step of undoing a constitutional amendment was done. And yet we didn't learn the lesson when it comes to other drugs. What has been helpful for alcohol? Public education. Cracking down on irresponsible use (drunk driving). Same model should be applied to other drugs.

 

No I am saying he is more proud of the crime bill than any other bill he helped pass. Yet you feel no need to hold him accountable. Just like democrats refuse to hold anyone in their party accountable. Bill gets his dick sucked, well bill will be bill. Bill lies about getting his dick sucked and loses his law license, well Bill should not have disclose things like that anyway its cool. Jeo Bide. Lies multiple times about his college re ord and well just about any story he tells, well Joe is Joe he does that, its cool. Nancy doesn't wear mask getting hair done, well no told to put it back on and why are you making this political, democrats yeah you got a point Nancy. It would be refreshing for a Democrat to once say yeah not cool, that is wrong.

 

LOL at stating failed policy in a thread dedicated to a Democrats failed policy.

 

If you ever learn to think, let me know.

 

Montana came in first. Why is that?

Oregon was second.

 

The latest National Survey on Drug Use and Health said that 9% of teens and adults were addicted to drugs in 2020. About 12% of Oregonians aged 12 and older said they had an alcohol problem. That compares with nearly 7% in 2019.
https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/...addiction-problem-in-the-nation-report-shows/

So of those 1 in 5 addicted, 1 in 8 are addicted to alcohol.

Clearly we need to ban alcohol. Alcohol is the true gateway drug. Virtually all drug abuse starts with alcohol.

 

So, lets make everything legal and see how many lives are killed. In Oregon, the amount of deaths tripled. Lets see how well that magnifies deaths nationwide!!!

 

Your contention is that because people weren't imprisoned for having drugs, the drug problem got worse? Please. Just because two things happen at once, doesn't mean one caused the other. Perhaps they expected too much from the minimal treatment incentives they included, but decriminalization remains a measure to reduce the harm of incarcerating somebody only because they use drugs. Use law enforcement resources on actual crimes with an actual victim.

Fox's analysis was completely unsophisticated - on purpose to mislead or because it was written by some ignorant journalist who doesn't know anything about social science. Much more information is needed to evaluate what happened in Oregon, and nationally.

 

Deny it all you want and follow whatever left wing extremists tell you to believe then. The proof is in the Statistical Numbers. I go by facts, not political commentary.

 

See what happens when you live in a wealthy nation?

 

For 100 yrs the progressive religious reformers have tried to force their morals on everybody starting with the Harrison act in 1912, they even forced OTHER NATIONS to go along and wrote those details in trade agreements.....what we now have is the result, a big ball of mess....
i believe the horrible urban crime/violence rate is directly involved as it was during 1920s prohibition....distribution takes place in places of people concentration period

the right will go on and on about violence in our city's and completely miss the connection to our war on drugs, the answer has been staring us in the face for decades
but because the average American gets "news" from their right or left preferred media, they remain ignorant of real answers and proud of it, it seems

 

Oh no, I've been anti drug war when I was a libertarian and 12 years old. It's my longest held political belief. But as far as statistics go, Fox is misusing them. The effects of policy must be analyzed scientifically, not just on a rough, ecological scale with nothing controlled for, no control group, no nothing like the fox analysis. What happened in Oregon is a worthy topic of study. Fox didn't do anything close to a sufficient analysis of what happened. Their goal isn't the truth, it's scoring points against the libs. The guy who wrote the article has background in sports journalism, lol, not public health. And sure people can be self-taught, but if he were he would know this was not a fair analysis.

 

I am for decriminalizing drugs, but hard drugs there must be something done as these people cannot deal with the addictions on their own. Maybe, instead of prison, enforced rehab for a year in a remote location or something.

For that homeless person laying incapacitated on the ground and when the paramedics came and asked if he needed help, he told them to leave him alone, so they did since drugs are legal in Oregon. A few hours later he died because the law there says he can OD if he wants to and nobody can stop him. That is like allowing suicide to be legal.

 

More fiction.

But since you love failure, enjoy.