Origins of the Arabs

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  1. Margot2

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    There seems to be some confusion about who they are. Too many people claim there were no Arabs except on the Arabian Peninsula until the 7th century AD. This may help, I hope.


    The Arabian peninsula was the source of many Semitic migrations to both Iraq and Syria regions. Semites became the dominating people in these regions thousands of years ago; and although they had developed different languages over time, Semitic languages retained considerable degrees of similarity.

    North Africa was inhabited by peoples who spoke Hamitic languages which are now largely considered to be cognates of the Semitic languages.

    The word Arab عَرَب, which is probably an alteration of عَبَرَ= "crossed," began to be used at some point in history to refer to Semitic nomads who wondered in the Syrian and Arabian deserts.

    Greeks and Romans referred to all the nomadic population of the desert in the Near East as Arabi. The Romans called Yemen Arabia Felix = "happy Arabia" because of its prosperity at that time.

    The Romans called the vassal nomadic states within the Roman Empire Arabia Petraea after the city of Petra, and called unconquered deserts bordering the empire to the south and east Arabia Magna.

    Semitic Arameans were an alliance of Arabian tribes who migrated at around 1200-1500 BC from Arabia north into the Syrian desert and then into Syria. Later, the usage of the Aramean language, or Aramaic, spread all over the region, and Aramaic became the lingua franca of the ancient Middle East.

    Arab historians in Middle Ages used to count Arameans as Arabs. Archeological findings show that ancient Akkadians of Mesopotamia may have called some Arameans "areebo. It is also believed now that the name of the Hebrewsעבריים , which is derived form the same root as Arabs (عبر= עבר = crossed) refers to the nomadic lifestyle of ancient Hebrews.

    Hebrews or Israelites were probably nomadic Semitic tribes that lived in the Sinai peninsula prior to their push into Canaan or Palestine. The renowned Greek historian Herodotus wrote also that Phoenicians were Arab people who migrated to Canaan from the Red Sea area.

    These examples show that the concept of "Arabs" probably was not as restricted in ancient times as it is today, and that it was used to refer to nomadic Semites in general, who usually lived in Arabia, and hence the name.

    In the 5th BC, Semitic Nabateans began moving from Arabia north into territory in the Syrian desert that was vacated by the Edomites -- Semites who settled the region centuries before them. The nomadic newcomers wrote in vernacular Aramaic, but they are now identified as Arabs.

    They had a kingdom that covered the east bank of the Jordan River, the Sinai Peninsula and northern Arabia. Perhaps because of the importance of the caravan trade, the Nabateans began to use Aramaic in preference to Old North Arabic, their mother tongue.

    The Nabateans adopted Aramaic alphabet and script, which were derived from the Phoenician alphabet and script, and those evolved into modern Arabic alphabet and script around the 4th century.

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    Divisions of Arabs

    Since the 14th century, Arab genealogists have been regarding Arabs as three branches:

    ►Perishing Arabs الْعَرَبُ الْبَاْئِدَةُ

    Those are the ancients of whose history little is known. They include the peoples of "aad عاد, Thamood ثَمود , Tasm طَسْم , Jadees جَديس,"imlaaq عِملاق and others.

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    Qahtaani Arabs عَرَبُ قَحْطَاْنَ

    Also known as Southern Arabs or "pure Arabs." They take their name from the allegedpatriarchيَعْرُبُ بْنُ يَشْجُبُ بْنُ قَحْطَاْنَ Ya"rub ('i)bn Yashjub ('i)bn Qahtaan. They spoke languages that are collectively known now as Old South Arabic.

    Qahtani Arabs inhabited southern Arabia, mostly Yemen. They had flourishing civilizations due to advanced irrigation systems which consisted of large water tunnels in mountains, and dams.

    The most impressive of these earthworks, known as the Ma'<rib dam سَدُّ مَأْرِب and which was built ca. 700 BC, provided irrigation for about 25,000 acres (101 km²) of land and stood for over a millennium, finally collapsing in 570 CE after centuries of neglect.



    "adnaani Arabs عَرَبُ عَدْنَاْنَ

    Also known as Northern Arabs or "Arabized Arabs." According to legend, they originated from عَدْنَاْن "adnaan who was from the progeny of Ishmael, the son of the biblical patriarch Abraham. They spoke languages that are collectively known now as Old North Arabic. Old North Arabic would dominate later and become the predecessor of Classical Arabic.

    Adnani Arabs inhabited the rest of Arabia other than the south, and also the Syrian desert. Those were a mélange of Semitic tribes with languages more resembling to Canaanite languages and Aramaic than those of Southern Arabs. Their languages were also influenced by Persian and languages of other neighboring peoples.



    Pre-Islamic Qahtani Migrations

    From the early centuries CE, Qahtani immigrations began toward the north. Most Qahtani immigrant tribes adopted Northern Arabic. They did, however, influence Northern Arabic with their original tongue to some degrees. The most notable of the Qahtani immigrants were:

    ►The Ghassanids الغَسَاسِنَةُ: migrated from Yemen in the 3rd Century CE to Syria, which was a Byzantine province at that time. Ghassanids revived the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria due to very long period of Greek and then Roman control. They mainly settled in the region of Hauran حوران in southern Syria.

    They adopted Jacobite (Monophysite) Christianity there and spread to modern-day Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. The Ghassanids protected the south-eastern frontiers of the Byzantine Empire in Syria until they were engulfed by the expansion of Islam in the 7th century CE. The Roman emperor Philip the Arab was a Syrian Roman citizen from southern Syria, and his ancestry was probably Ghassanid.

    ►The Lakhmids اللَخْمِيُّوْنَ : they settled the mid Tigris region in Mesopotamia and established a kingdom around their capital of 'al-heera(t) الحيرَة. The Lakhmids were allied to the Sassanid Persians against the Ghassanids and the Byzantine Empire. The Lakhmids contested control of the central Arabian tribes with the Kindites, with the Lakhmids eventually destroying Kinda in 540 CE after the fall of their main ally Himyar. The Sassanids dissolved the Lakhmid kingdom in 602 CE.

    ►The Kindites الكِنْدِيُّوْنَ : migrated north from Yemen along with the Ghassanids and Lakhmids, but were turned back in by the eastern Arabian tribe of "abd ('a)l-qays عَبْدُ القَيْسِ.

    They returned to Yemen and allied themselves with the Himyarites الحِمْيَرِيُّوْنَwho installed them as a vassal kingdom that ruled central Arabia. They ruled much of the northern/central Arabian Peninsula until the fall of the Himyarites in 525 CE. The Kindites converted to Judaism in the late 5th century CE, following the conversion of the Himyarites.
     
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    Arabic is too a matter of language. Arabic is nowodays spoken widely around around the world. From Morroco to Saudi Arabia. The mesopotanian and egyptian culture seems to disappeared under the sword of the arabic invasions.
    Only persian and turks culture seems to partially survived the arabic invasion because they managed to keep their own language, the parsi.
     
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    continued here:

    http://arabic.tripod.com/HisArabs1.htm

    As the Arabian peninsula became drier Arabs migrated north from the Arabian peninsula driven by the harsh climate and lack of water and agriculture.
     
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    True.. the Semitic languages are Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic etc....... but there are variations between Gulf Arabic and Egyptian Arabic.
     
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    Arabs are from Mars, which explains their aggressiveness and war loving culture.

     
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    I've always believed that Arabs and Jews used to be the same people. At one point some of them began intermarrying with black Africans and other of them didn't allow race mixing. Over the next millennia or so you have Arabs and Jews. This is pure conjecture I have no solid evidence.
     
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    Arabia was once much greener.
     
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    There is no such thing as "race". Its a pseudo-scientific term.

    The people of Egypt in the time of Paroah were no Arabs.
     
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    Actually they have found the same tools in East Africa in Saudi Arabia dating back 60,000 years..

    And, the Arabs traded with East Africa a thousand years before Islam.

    When Arabia was green: Lush grasslands helped early man make leap out of Africa

    Read more at https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blog...reen-lush-grasslands.html#r96kYE7syEBvSHAL.99
     
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    Arabic people tended to use a lot of slave and so import of a lot of white and black slave. So the arabic people are mainly a mixed people. When the arabic people invaded north africa, they were already berbere people, but too the tribe of the vandale who occupied the region for centuries.
     
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    That's true however pharoanic symbols have been found in North Eastern Arabia. Big write up with photos about 2-3 years ago... in one of the better archeology news outlets.. In fact, there's a thread HERE in the archives.
     
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    And yet, the people of Egypt at the time of paroah were no Arabs.
     
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    Pharaoh tended to rule on a huge zone beyond Egypt, and this civilization last for many millenaries (around 6 one). At the end they were extremly mixed with phenician and greek people.
     
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    Not really.. They couldn't feed a lot of slaves. There were no industrial sized slave plantations... not enough water or arable land.

    Arabs have been trading with Egypt since Joseph's coat of many colors.

    The darker Arabs are on the coasts and south in Yemen because they mixed with East Africans on one side and people from the Indus valley on the other side. In the interior they are much fairer skinned.
     
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    60,000 years ago were no Arabs, not Jews, no nothing, Only prehistoric men.
     
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    I just said that was true.
     
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    The rest of the information you wrote has no relevent to the fact that they were no Arabs.
     
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    Of course they were Arabs.. we're only talking about 10,000 years ago.

    They work in a range of disciplines including palaeontology, geography, geochronology, animal and human genetics, archaeology, rock art studies and linguistics. It was a measure of the international significance of the work that it attracted a €2.4 million grant from the European Research Council.

    The picture emerging from the sands of time is both incredibly complex in its scope and yet astonishingly simple in its implications.

    Once upon a time, vast and now arid parts of Arabia were lush, green landscapes, irrigated by lakes and rivers and populated by large mammals, such as big cats, elephants and hippos, of a kind we now associate only with Africa.

    “And today,” says Prof Petraglia, with contagious enthusiasm, “this is the Empty Quarter”. “Just imagine.”

    One of many such sites is at Mundafan, in the south-west of Saudi Arabia at the junction between the Asir and Tuwayq mountains and the Rub’ Al Khali desert, or Empty Quarter.

    To the untutored eye all that can be seen are the dunes of a typical, windblown Arabian desert. In fact, as extensive research has now shown, this was once the site of a large freshwater lake – a finding that has been repeated at locations across the Arabian peninsula.

    Such dramatic, climate-driven transformations played a sensational role in the development of our species. As if by a process of osmosis, the lush conditions of Arabia, which came and went in cycles of thousands of years at a time over a period of a million years, drew early humans eastward from Africa.


    Read more at https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blog...reen-lush-grasslands.html#r96kYE7syEBvSHAL.99
     
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    The desertification process in the Arabian peninsula occured at the time of the prehistoric men, when there were no Arabs.
     
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    Earlier you stated you agree with the fact that the people of Egypt at the time of Paroah were no Arabs. Please dont contradict yourself.

    10,000 years ago were the prehistoric men. No Arabs to be found then.
     
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    Are you a climate denier or something? Of course early man caused the desertification. It's part of the environmentalist's original sin strategy.
     
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    Slavery in arabic countries were pretty different that the european one. European one was rather unique by it's conception. Slavery was almost forbidden in the European mainland and slavery only allowed in the colonies. Somehow, the way europeans used slaves almost announced the concentration camps : hidden for the biggest part of the population.

    However arabic people tended to use slaves as domestic staff, second wives, guards (euneuch) and even soldiers (mameluks, janissaries).

    If arabic slave trade was less intense, it last much longer. During the 13th century, slavery will abolished in many countries of Europe, it will start back at the discovery of the new world, and the end of slavery in western world will start to end at the Vienna congress who forbid the purchase of new slaves.
    In 1865 most European or western countries forbid slavery.
     
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    Did you read my comment? Because I wrote pretty clearly that at the time of the desertification in the Arabian peninsula, were no Arabs.

    The desertification in the Arabian peninsula did happen, I never said otherwise. I only said that at that time there were no Arabs.
     
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