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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the first picture the horse is absolutely beautiful, and in the second, they have gorgeous legs don't you think? Hey my grandfather wore a skirt. My paternal ancestors broke up the Ottoman Empire you know? My maternal ones were massacred because of it.

    Did you ever think Goody that there are people in this world who actually have a moral conscience, and believe genocide and ethnic cleansing as committed by Turkey in the past, and is now being committed against the Kurds in Eastern Turkey is wrong?

    Other people's lives are not a propaganda game to everyone, with the belief that lying, stealing and murder is okay as long as someone can get away with it through propaganda and false flag attacks.


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  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Goody, to get deeper into the discussion; in the nations that Erdogan wants to claim for his future Ottoman Empire, what people other than the minority Turks actually want to be under Ankara? I mean most of the the Turks themselves don't want to be under the current government, so how can it be forced upon others?
     
  3. The Turk

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    Anthropology and linguistics are not the same thing. According to your twisted logic, All Mexicans should be of Spanish origin. Even a new student of anthropology would easily realise that the people of Turkey are a mixture of Byzantines, Turkomans, Armenians, Arabs and Kurds etc. Turks are pretty much natives of the land, as for being a Roman, quite surprisingly Turks of Turkey are much more related to the Roman culture than, say, a British or an american.

    As for the topic, Trollers are again trolling the forum. Turkey is a modern democratic state and will never be under monarchy again. The Ottomans are dead.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell that to Erdogan. He has his dreams and it's causing a great deal of problems. I will say one thing about the Turks, they have a lot of courage going against him...especially the reporters. Our reporters have all become stenographers. They write what they are told.

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  5. goody

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    It's not Kurds & Greeks, It's Terrorists & Greeks...


    This one is from a funeral of a Greek terrorist "Kosta" who got taken out by Turkish SF while "it" was in action with fellow terrorists:


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    There's a Turkish saying; "The one who wants to see Turks enshrouded ends up enshrouded..."

    How ironic...
     
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    Can you please explain us what they are chanting?

    [video=youtube;HY7cCqg3tKM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY7cCqg3tKM[/video]

    Thanks,

    Regards;
     
  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems they are mimicking the American Duckworth chant, but I don't know what language they're using. Are they Nato troops? Maybe Eastern Europeans? Ukrainians perhaps?


    [video=youtube;3owoYQazL9o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owoYQazL9o[/video]
     
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    No, they are Greek troops literally calling for Turkish, Albanian and Kosovar blood. :)

    That's the spirit, huh? What's interesting is, we really don't give any flying feck to these ludicrously pathetic stuff.. Our chants generally about "foes" in general, meaning that we don't need any motivation from particular Greek nor Armenian hatred, that would have meant we take them serious right :roflol:
     
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    * Turkish professor of cryptology from University of California accused Russian govt. of lying. The professor has offered help to the Russian govt. to read all the information in the black box.
     
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    * Greece recognized Palestine State on the request of Osmanli.
     
  11. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    Greeks have much reason to hate turks though. No need to pretend that some bad things didn't happen. The turks have basically been 'the' enemy of greeks for half a millennia. Of course they are mad.
     
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    Do they have much reason to support terrorists against Turkish civilians?
     
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    Well... the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? From the greek point of view, kurds are another people who have been treated bad by the turks. They probably have sympathy yes. And morals aside, just from a cold pragmatic perspecive, why wouldnt you support separatist terrorists against your enemy?
     
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    That's funny... Kurds are no enemies whatsoever to us. We have Members of the Parliament, Ministers, Prime Ministers, Presidents of the Republic, prosecutors, judges, police officers, soldiers, intelligence officers, teachers, governors, musicians, social leaders, doctors, Professors and millions of spouses who are Kurds... Do you know who "Aziz Sancar" is? He was born and raised in Mardin, a prominent Kurdish city as a Kurdish person from 100% Kurdish origin family, who are only speaking Kurdish as one of 9 children. He won the Nobel Prize for his incredibly important inventions in science. You know what he said after awarded? "I will give this honorable prize as a gift to the museum of Mustafa Kemal ATATURK, in Anitkabir, Ankara, to our father!"

    Here he is at his Carolina home with his family:

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    Some morons may say this is also fake too but it should ring some bells for an average IQ person :)

    Kurds are no enemies at all, but are tried to be turned against us as enemies, by our back stabbing neighbors like Greece, Iran and Syria. Kurds have their own tvs, radio channels broadcasting in their natives and millions of them are happy with what they have. Let's get that straight first.

    On the other hand, Greece does not recognize Turkish minority as it is directed by Lausanne Treaty, they call them ludicrous names as "Muslim Greeks". Them Turks have become a "minority" after Greek insurgency had started and targeted them, started to massacre them by millions (5 million to be exact) in maybe less than 10 years. They violate Lausanne Treaty by ""preventing"" any members of the Turkish minority to become part of the legal system, to become judges, prosecutors, Prime Ministers, Ministers, governors, etc... They instead ""assign"" their own men as "muftus" (religious leader to local muslims), and "educators". They don't allow Turks to live by their ""legal rights"" given by the Lausanne Treaty because Greece is still "fascist governing" country. They attack to mosques, and Turkish embassy so often that it's hardly news in Turkey. Yet Turks have absolutely NO state ideal to provoke Turkish majority in Western Thrace in support of any separatism...

    All this cruelty, hatred, and enemy perception against Turks is a product of Greek Fascist Junta governments' decades long indoctrination regarding the past Turkish rule and because those Greek Junta dictator generals' oppressed egos by the loss of the Turkish independence war in 1920s. All this is because they poisoned little children with their pathetic desires that their predecessors couldn't accomplish...

    Let's get that one straight too please...
     
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    Right, let's pretend that all kurds want to be part of turkey, are completely happy with the current arrangement, and doesn't want independence?

    I thought Turkey of all countries would have an understanding of Greece's actions towards minorities. Turkey "dealt" with potentially troublesome minorities themselves. Armenians. There's no reason to pretend like greeks and turks are all liberals. You people know. You know that minorities can be trouble when they inevitably come demand rights and independence and what not, destabilising your country. That's what Turkey did what they did, and that's why greece is trying to get rid of their turks. Quite frankly, that's what any country would do if they cared about their security and stability. The best thing countries in the former ussr could do is try to get rid of their russian populations for example, because those are just trouble, as ukraine showed. Large numbers of greeks in turkey, and turks in greece just means trouble for both countries, and that's why you did th population swap isn't? You know all this, don't play dumb.
     
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    There are 15 million Kurds in Turkey. I said "millions" of them are happy. You say "let's pretend that all Kurds are happy" by being sarcastic in your own narrow way. This is what we usually call demagoguery in its simplest form, if not trolling. That was first.

    Second; it was "NOT" Turkey that has "dealt" with potentially troublesome minorities themselves; Armenians, but the "Ottoman Emperor". I would prefer knowing at least the "dates" before making up some "weak" analogies but everybody has a style I guess.

    As for destabilizing; "apples and oranges" as bright as the sunlight, yet, I'd like to ask kindly; please give us some examples from """destabilizing""" role of the Turkish minority in today's modern Greece, and I'll talk about destabilizing Greek """FACTIONS""" before, during, and after the Turkish independence war. We would just love to be enlightened by that seemingly wise but underneath totally empty attitude...

    Thanks;

    Regards;
     
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    Are there happy kurds in turkey? Sure, but why does that matter? I know turks are sensitive about their minorites but geez, is it too much to just acknowledge that kurds want independence?

    Turkey and the ottoman empire is the same state. Turkey wasn't created from nothing. What happened was that the ottoman empire got a congress, then power went to them, then they abolished the sultanate and renamed the country Turkey. Turkey is the successor state to the ottoman empire. Pretending it's not is just silly. Russia is the successor to the USSR btw, despite that many russian pretend it isn't. Russia is legally responsible for what the ussr did, turkey is responsible for what the ottomans did, and hell, sweden is responsible for what we did in the 16th century. It's still the same political entity. Pretending Turkey was created from nothing might be convenient, but's it's wrong.

    I don't think turks in greece are much of a problem, but that's because they're only around 1%, which is exactly my point. The greeks were wise to get rid of the turks. And of course, the turks were wise to get rid of the greeks.
     
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    It is?

    Somebody dig up Eugene of Savoy, stat!! :lol:

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    Jeanette please...
     
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    kardesh, I'm from isvec. Don't confuse me with some pro-ruski.
     
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    Yeah kardesh? why not further discuss on PM?
     
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    If you want, sure. Just to clarify, im not turk. I just called you kardesh as in bro.
     
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    Let me clarify few things before someone starts the melancholy with her ex and hysterically attacks Turks in here... Thank's for the opportunity Mr. Swedish Guy:

     
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    Thanks. I think I can't be kardesh to any troll... Just sayin...
     
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    Good luck with that... :roll:
     

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