I have recently been drawn into JFK assassination and all the conspiracies out there. John Kennedy was very popular but had powerful and dangerous enemies. He and especially his brother (Robert Kennedy - attourney general then) were tough on organized crime. They definitely were the mafia's arch enemies. JFK was also not very popular with the anti-Castro Cubans after the bay of pigs fiasco. Kennedy had his battles with the CIA although it's not quite certain what the relationship was. He was angered by their mess up during the bay of pigs and apparently wanted to wind down their operations. It doesn't appear like the FBI was in great terms with the Kennedies either.. Apparently, Edgar Hoover (head of FBI) and Robert Kenney dispised each other and Robert Kennedy once claimed that he thought Hoover took satisfaction when Hoover called him to let him know of JFK's death. Politically, JFK was also suppporting some controversial policies, like withdrawl of Vietnam and a hard stance on civil rights, in particulat segragation. Many didn't want to withdraw from Vietnam and let the South Vietnamese succumb to communism rule. On the civil rights front, JFK set forth the most aggresive legislative assault on segregation since civil war. Lastly, let's mention LBJ... By all accounts he was a very unhappy VP and felt like a puppet. Robert Kennedy and LBJ hated each other and some paint a picture of a humiliated LBJ, who once was very powerful and now was not given much to do. Some state JFK and RFK were planning to remove LBJ from the VP ticket in the next election and that Robert Kennedy was strategizing this... If some of this is true and LBJ was aware of it, you wonder if he really liked JFK (some claim he actually did). Let's also not forget, the USSR! So all of the above makes things very interesting and a dream for conspiracy theorists. In addition to having these enemies, some of the other circumstances around the assassination added fuel to the conspiracy theories... 1. LBJs run ins with crime and hunger for power. LBJ had close ties to criminals, murders and was at the brink of being investigated for involvement in past crimes. He was also well known to be a power hungry, domineering personality who may have felt he had no future at the side of JFk 2. How JFKs head seemed to jerk backwards after the head shot 3. Pictures showing hady figures around grassy knoll 4. Several murders/mysterious deaths which occured shortky after the JFK assassination. The murder of CIA gent who claimed CIA was behind it , a JFK mistress, anti Castro militant, person who had videos of autopsy, FBI agent, reporter who was trying to break JFK case... and a few more. 5. Ruby killing of Oswald.. 6. Supposed confessions of some people like Ed Hunt, (CIA agent), David Sanchez (CIA agent involved in bay of pigs) who were suspected of being involved in JFK murder. Statements during interviews from other CIA agents, others and even LBJ's mistress.. where LBJ, mafia, CIA and others were implicated. 7. The green beret who claimed CIA approched him to eliminate a person who had (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evidence of JFK frontal head wound (unedited autopsy) and more All this seems to point to a conspiracy, it must! Here's my problem...If you go to youtube or just google, you will find many different conspiracy theories, many backed by experts who claim they have proof and are confident they know what happened. What i can't quite make sense of is that some of these conspiracies are quite different and in some cases contradict each other. Why can't they all point to the same one? Here's a list of theories: 1. Manhole theory. I recently saw a video where some 'expert' using very sophiticated equipement (never used before) claimed he could conform the head shot was a frontal shot and it's trajectory was from ground up. According to him, his evidence cannot be refuted and that the bullet trajectory can only be explained by a shooter from a manhole which was on thr right of the motorcade as it passed. 2. Grassy knoll and Mafia hired hitmen. Another video i saw was very well documented and showed interviews with DEA agent, French hitmen who claim that it was the mafia who contracted a killer from France, along with Oswald and there were 3 shooters. During the interviews, the men stated that someone approached them to kill the 'highest political figure in the US'. One guy seemed very credible and stated that he refused the job because he wans't willing to take the risk of doing it on US soil. He did mention one name of who was involved but refused to mention the other guy's name because he was still alive. An interview with a DEA agent also confirmed that he had heard all of this from one of the contract killers who apparently was in Mexico at one point and was involved in drug traffiking. During this show, a picture was also shown, of the grassy knoll with some apparent 'shady' figure...which they made out to be a man holding a rifle with 'photo shopping'. They even had a witness of someone who saw two men in that area, wearing uniform, which one of the contract killers stated was customary for this type of job. Very convincing huh? 3. LBJ orchestrated the murder. He had a shady past, felt humiliated by Kennedies, saw no future after vice presidency and was hungry for power. There are videos out there doing a darn good job depicting LBJ as a past murderer who conspired with some of his connections in mafia, CIA and other Kennedy enemies to take out JFK as it was in their mutual interest. They show (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evidence of his connections with several crimes and criminals and claim he was behind several murders of people who were trying to give him up. They depict a picture of LBJ getting together with CIA and others to take out a common obstacle - JFK. They really do a convincing job.... then the claims of Oswald being a patsy, being blamed for something he didn't do. He couldn't have fired those almost impossible shots using a crappy rifle, how could he? There are other crazy thories about even the driver taking that fatal shot! all in all, too many different theories, all of them set forth in a pretty convincing manner. It just seems like all of it is just many people looking really hard for a conspiracy, struggling with the fact that a simple man like Oswald could have done this alone. When you combine this with shady characters from CIA and other people who want attention and get satisfaction from fueling conspiracy theories (making them feelimportant and powerful.. you get all of these theories. 1. Manhole. It has been shown that JFK's care was NOT in front of manhole and in proper position for this shot 2. Oswald couldn't have taken these shots in 6 seconds! many shooters were put to the test and many were able to fire the 3 shots in 6 or less seconds and many hit their targets! The rifle used by Oswald was a very capable rifle not matter what conspiracy theorsists claim. It was shown that Oswald was a very accomplished shooter from investigation his past performances... 3. Grassy knoll picture. Those pictures which apparently show 'badgeman' are nothing but garbage.. they show nothing and only after photo shopping and manipulation do these people show what seems to be a guy with a rifle. Also, two different manipulations show different people, one with a dark blow uniform, other with a wite shirt... lol.. nice try. Also, there were people standing in that area and no-one ever came forward and said they saw someone. Plus, some ran up thehill in direction of that area which makes no sense if they had heard a shot coming from there 4. Head moved backwards after head shot. Actually, when you look at the video in real slow motion, JFKs head moved slightly forward and then backwards... consistent with a rear entry wound and a later neuromuscular reaction of his brain being blown out. There were many any experts who concluded the shot was consistent with a rear entry head shot. Some of these experts had conducted thousands of balistics tests and overwhlemingly agreed it was a rear shot.. 5. Oswald being framed. It seems almost implausible to me that Oswald, a shady charatcter who once defected to USSR, was a marxsman who owned a rifle just happened to get a job in the book repository a month before JFK vist (what a coincidence) and it was all framed.. This guy was a really shady person who had the skills to commit this crime and didn't seem all that right in his head. Oswald must have known before he took that job that JFK was going to be there no? but didn't he take the job before it was known that JFK was going to be there? and it's entirely common sense that Oswald shot that cop who stopped him for questioning since he was fleeing the scene and this was the only option. He also resisted arrest..why? Let's not forget that there was an eye witness - Howard Brennan, who saw Oswald make the shots from the 6th floor window.. He could never confirm it was Oswald with 100% confidence but did say Oswald looked like the guy he saw... 6. Ruby. Conspiracy theorists argue he had connections with the mob and all sorts of mafia dealings. Doing research it seems the ones who most knew him thought this was ludicrous and that it was all exagerated. Maybe Ruby was part of a cover up but his connections to organized crime were greatly exagerated.. Several claim he had little connections, if any. It would have been a case of a man who just wanted Oswald dead... a reaction to his crime 7. These massive conspiracies between FBI, CIA, mafia, french contact killers, anti-Castro cubans and even bankers! cover ups of autopsy, alteration of JFK's autopsy pics... etc... simply too many people, too many cover ups and it would've been almost impossible to keep it all secret. Sure, some shady characters have said this here and there but there is a reason some of these statements haven't been taken seriously...
the problem with your ramblings is even the house select committe on assassinations which was a more serious investigation into it even admitted that the warren commission was wrong and that his death was the result of a conspiracy.there is plenty of evidence the CIA was involved,you just dont want to look at it. Here is the problem with your ramblings that oswald did it. 1.No expert marksmen has been able to duplicate oswald incredible feat. 2.witness saw a gunman behind the picket fence. 3.policemen said there were plainclothes men showing secret service creditials saying they were secret service agents except all secret service agents were all in the motorcade and not on foot so someone was impersonating them. 4.all the dallas doctors said the head wound and neck wounds were ENTRANCE wounds. 5.photography experts have said the photos are forgeries. 6.Bethesda doctors said the photos they were shown were not what the presidents head looked like when they examined it which prove the photography experts correct. 7.the secret service violated all protocals that day and illegally destroyed and removed evidence and it wasnt just merei incompetence either because NOBODY was fired for their alleged incompetence when there should have been MULTIPLE firings. Whats really hysterical and pathetic about our government is they still defend the fairy tales of the warren commission today that Oswald was the lone assassin even though the house select committe on assassinations in the 70's did another government investigation into it and even they concluded the warren commission was wrong that his assassination was the result of a conspiracy yet the government still defends the warren commssions findings today. the warren commission ignored all the multiple unnaccountable bullets found that day.two police officers reported seeing a bullet hole in the traffic sign which was removed a couple days later and replaced they swore to. Then there was one on the sidewalk a policeman identified,one on the curb they identified as bullet fragments which was later removed and paved over as well two days later.one in the doorframe,one in the windshield that forensic scientists said was an entrance shot meaning coming from the front. Finally a plainclothes policeman identifying himself as an FBI agent who Deputy Police Officer Buddy Walthers said put a bullet in his jacket pocket and then walked off and we never saw that bullet again.the list goes on and on of multiple unnaccountable bullets the warren commission ignored and did not account for. __________________
you also ignore the facts that none of the investigaters were able to duplicate oswalds miracle feat of shooting off three rounds, hitting the target, and then sprinting across the room and getting down to the second floor within the time frame of 90 seconds the warren commission says he did it in and no expert marksmen was ever able to duplicate oswalds feat with a mannlicher carcano rifle and that the first rifle the police found was identified by officers highly trained in what rifles look like, identitifying the first rifle found as a Mauser. also as far as Killing Tippet? You conveinently left out that witnesses saw TWO men shoot Officer Tippet and NONE of them could give a description of them that matched Oswald besides my other posts you chose to ignore as well. you also conveintly forgot to mention that many witnesses who gave versions different than the warren commissions died under very mysterious circumstances and many of them said the warren commission ALTERED their testimonys which itself is a crime and that the secret service violated all protocals that day and illegally destroyed and removed evidence and it wasnt just mere incompetence on their part either because noboy was fired and there SHOULD have been MULTIPLE firings.thats just for starters. yes a lot of researchers disagree with each other but only an idiot would STILL think oswald killed kenneyd after all these years as I just proved.
oh and I also forgot to mention that many witnesses said the warren commission ALTERED their testimonys which itself is a crime that the warren commission members including future president that bastard Gerald Ford who is burning in hell right now,that they should have all gone to jail for. oh and you also dont know about Rose Cheramie the lady depicted at the very beginning of the movie JFK who was dumped off at the side of the road on a highway two days before the assassination in Louisiana and found by policemen and taken to a hospital and she told the doctors that there was a plot to kill kennedy but they did not take her serious because she was on drugs but when the assassination occured,they took her serious and notified authoritys and conveintly for the government,she wound up as another mysterious dead body. just a coincidence by your logic.
" select committe on assassinations which was a more serious investigation into it even admitted that the warren commission was wrong and that his death was the result of a conspiracy" yes, but they also claim it was Oswald! and that Oswald was the LONE SHOOTER! you conveniently omit this from your statement right? They claim that it's possible that Oswald was part of a conspiracy.. that's all but none of the other nonsense you believe in. They think it was Oswald from the school depository.. No expert marksmen has been able to duplicate oswald incredible feat. there was a CBS special where they had many shooters (11) attempt Oswalds feat and some were able to pull off the 3 shots in 5 seconds, one guy was on target with his 3 shots in 5.2 seconds.. Oswald did it in 6 seconds. Not everyone made all 3 shots but many hit the mark at least once. Keep in mind, Oswald did miss one shot and he had owned this rifle for a while so was familiar with it... these shooters for this test were not even familiar with the carcano rifle yet some were able to matchj Oswald. Also, when looking at Oswalds shooting record, it has been found that he was a great shoorter... looking at his feats. witness saw a gunman behind the picket fence. I love this about conspiracy theorists, they claim there was a witness but they ignore other witnesses. Many of the witnesses didn't see a gunmen and many ran up the hill to the fence (look at the video and observe folks running up). You and your fellow conspiracy theorists brush off the witnesses who said they didn't se anyone and ignore simple facts like: Why the heck did all those poeple run to the fence when they heard the shots? it's because they didn't hear the shots coming from that direction, otherwise they wouldn't have run in the shooters direction! the secret service violated all protocals that day and illegally destroyed and removed evidence and it wasnt just merei incompetence either because NOBODY was fired for their alleged incompetence when there should have been MULTIPLE firings. Please watch 'The Kennedy Detail' where 3 of the secret service agents who were there (including the guy you see running behind Kenndey and jumping on the car) talk about what happened on that day. They get teary everytime they talk about that moment, Jackie and the kids. These guys were like Kennedy's brothers, loved him and his family. This was their life, Kennedy made them feel important and they fooled around. Three of the guys explain that they clearly heard 3 shots coming from behind and they explain everything that happened. They also say how painful it was to hear all these conspiracy theories where they were even implicated and you can see how conspiracy loonies like you have really added to the pain of wathcing their beloved JFK get gunned down.. Go watch this special please and put a muzzle over that conspiracy snout and a lot of stuff is ignored by you conspiracy junkies.. HOW ABOUT ALL THIS: (what you all conveniently OMIT) 1. Oswald WAS in the building when the shots were fired 2. Oswald left the building after the shots whilst almost everyone else stayed. This is pretty unusual bahaviour right after a presidential assassination, i know i would've stayed around to be with everyone else after such an event 3. Carcano rifle found had his prints and belonged to him. There were pictures of him holding the rifle (his wife admitted taking the pics) 4. Oswald was a loner who had defected to USSR. He was the typical guy that would do such a crazy thing... 5. He was said to have fired a shot at General Edwin Walker years before the Kennedy assassination, showing he had the audacity to take a shot at someone (His wife testified to this) 6. He was in the same floor where shots were fired and was by himself ( 6th floor) placed there by eye witnesses.. around 30 mins before assassination 7. He claimed to have taken some curtains into the building (for his room) that day but they were never found and his room didn't even have curtains! it was probably the rifle. An eye witness Buell Wesley Frazier, saw Oswald going into the building with a package that morning 8. Oswald shot and killed a cop afterwards. (tipett). His gun was the weapon. Why would an innocent man do this? Now of course conspiracy theorists claim that eye witnesses saw someone who didn't look like Oswald shooting the cop but MOST of the eye witnesses claimed it was Oswald... someone that looked like him. I will go with majority 9. There was an eye witness that saw Oswald take the 3 shots from depository - Howard L. Brennan. This was thye most credible eye witness of ALL of them and he saw Oswald. 10. Not a speck of any fragments/bullet shells OTHER THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims. How is this possible if indeed there were 2 or 3 shooters??? This makes no sense and probably the most (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evidence against you conspiracy theroists 11. The majority of the witnesses said they thought shots came from direction of the depository. Some witnessess claim they heard shots coming from other areas but THE MAJORITY said they heard exactly 3 shots coming from the depository. I'll go with majority here.. 12. Oswald left his wedding ring and all his $$ behind with his wife that day... hmmm Sounds like a man that didn't think he would be back
you lost your credibility right there saying they claim he was the lone shooter.you cant be a LONE shooter and have a conspiracy at the same time son.hee hee. your funny how just because they SAY they were not familiar with it that makes it fact.oh and television can rig ANYTHING.of course for you if the mainstream media showed it,it happened.its easy as pie to say they made the shots and fool people funny one. your really losing your credibility here big time even more so now with your lone nut theories.just because SOME say they did not see someone on the knoll makes it true? funny.yeah some only went there cause the crowd did but some saw the shooter running from the picket fence.you lose.AGAIN. oh i have read that propaganda piece THE KENNEDY DETAIL and and its been debunked.hate to break your heart but that book fails to mention that its illegal to remove evidence and destroy it like they did and sorry,the secret service agents committed treason that day.Read Mark Lanes book The Last Word,my indictment of the CIA in the murder of JFK. http://www.amazon.com/Last-Word-Indictment-CIA-Murder/dp/1620870703 It debunks that fairy tale and your ramblings as well.The secret service agents for Johnson did their job.the one next to him jumped over johnson and withdrew his gun like he is trained to do.Greer violated protocals turning around watching Kennedy did when he is TRAINED to step on the gas petal at an instances notice.The agents for Kennedy did NOT do their jobs.You fail to mention in your ramblings that only ONE of the agents that were suppose to protect Kennedy reacted that day and that was secret service agent Cllint Hill and he JACKIES bodyguard assigned to protect her,not Jfk.He was the ONLY one that did his job.did his job,the others did not. Kellerman should have jumped over kennedy and withdrew his gun.NONE of that was done,thats TREASON.oh and forget being just incompetent because nobody was fired for their incompetence.the kennedy detail goes on to lie how they were not serving alcohol that day as well. 1.b.s from you as always.there has never been any proof that oswald was in the building. 2.full of crap again.its well known that many other left the building.if you stopped listening to the warren commission and the the books that support it you would know thats true.marines who knew oswald said he had MAGGIE DRAWERS meaning he was a lousy shot. 3.they only found the prints on it TWO days later and an officer who was not involved in the coverup heard oswald while being interrogated,say those were fake pics.you conviently leave out those facts.Oh and I have met marina before so your lies dont work on me.She says she told the warren commission back then she thought oswald did it only because she and her children were threatened to be deported back to Russia if she did not do so. 4.yeah and then renounces his citizenship and volunteers to turn over state secrets to them and yet has no problem geeing back to the states with no problem and does not get proescuted as a traiter like any normal citizen would have been back then.your funny. 5.the warren commission failed to mention walker said he did not think he did it.ypu have done no research into this other than looking at the official version. 6.you fail miserably again.a few witnesses talked about seeing TWO men in the window minutes before the assassination,they were looking up at it just before they arrived.some said they saw a riflemen on the OPPOSITE side of oswalds alleged nest.you are so funny. 7.again you fail miserably.fraizier described how he brought it in saying that he had it tucked under his shoulder in his palm.Impossible they found out to do even when they dissassmbled it they STILL could not tuck it under their arm investigaters discovered. 8.lies as always.whats left out here is that witnesses saw TWO men shoot oswald and they could not confirm oswald as the killer. none could identify oswald as the shooter initially.the cab driver initially said he could not identify oswald as the shooter.He had a cousin who looked very much like him and his cousin was murdered later on afterwards.it was ONLY after that happened,that the cab driver got scared and changed his story identifying oswald. 9.Howard Breenan was the one witnesss the warren commission used who said identified oswald. what is being left out here is Breenans dsicription was very flimsy.more on that later. 10.lies again.they never found any ammunition that a mannlicher carcano fired the shot.in fact what you conventily leave out is there were MULTIPLE unaccountable bullet fragments found at the scene.one in the doorframe,one in the winshield,one in the grass you see a plainclotes policeman pick up and walke away with illegally,one in the streetsign you see in the zapruder film.when i say see,i mean the seeing the sign.poliemen made a report of a bullet hole in the street sign,same as with the windsheild saying it was an entrance in the windshield. 11.lies again,most said it was from the grassy knoll.something else being ignored is one of the patrolmen ran up the grassy knoll and said he smelled gunpower and that he encountered a plainclothes policeman displaying credentials that he was with the secret service.He said later on that it came to him that this guy did not look like a secret servicemen.His fingers were dirty and had a dirty face.Oh and the secret service records showed that no secret servicemen were on foot that day.someone was obviously impersonating him. 12.you cant be serious? this is the BEST you can do? your lone nut theorys fail misserably. you conveintly left out how many witnesses died mysteriously who gave reports different than the governments version of events and many told investigaters the warren commission ALTERED their testimonys which is a crime itself. or more importantly that oswald was set up that you conveintly left out as well is that the warren commission said oswald killed kennedy because he was seeking fame except the problem with those lies is you can hear him in the famous tape saying to reporters-No sir,I did not shoot anybody.Im just a patsy.Yeah thats sure seeking fame alright denying that you were the assassin.hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaa no wonder you did not try and tackle my thread.you knew you would get your rear end handed to you on a platter.there may be others on here who have looked at this thread and and gobble up your crap and lies but it wont work on me.Unlike you,I look at BOTH sides and am actually a serious researcher and I will continue exposing your lies over on my thread for everyone to see. dont expect any reply back on this thread to your ramblings and your next rant.you clearly are not objective and only go into it reading only what the government tells you.boy lone nut loonies sure grasp at straws when the are cornered.
this was what police Chief Jesse Curry told united press in 1969. Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry: "We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle. No one has been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand." (November 5, 1969, United Press International) Oh and for the apologists who say thats a copy and paste job.the problem with that rambling is he wrote a book about it and mentions in his book he was under pressure from his superiours to say oswald did it back then so he went along with it but in 1969 he came out and told the truth that they could not place oswald in the sixth floor window.
'you lost your credibility right there saying they claim he was the lone shooter.you cant be a LONE shooter and have a conspiracy at the same time son.hee hee.' no, they concluded it was Oswald, period. What they probably think is that Oswald didn't act by his own account;i.e, they thought maybe Oswald was in it with CIA, cubans, mob or someone else. Get it?
HAHA so no-one saw him take the shots and that's enough to discredit the fact that eye witnesses placed Oswald in the 6th floor, in the building and that it was his rifle? with his fingerprints? LOL!!!!!! and he fled the scene right after shooting whilst everyone else stayed.
HAHA... so you respond with all this junk.. i knew it, once i prsented all of this overwhelming evidence that you were going to try and discredit it. You see conspiracy theorists never give up, they will convince someone that an apple is a grape, that Elvis was abducted by aliens, that 09/11 was cheany from a bunker, that the moon landing was fake.... but their conspiracies are destroyed time and time again you all never give up. I respect that... You all just can't accept the boring truths, you need to create your own movies to make life more interesting. 09/11 a bunch of terrorists with pocket knives? NO WAY! it was a conspiracy! Oswald, a pathetic little man killed John F kenney? NO! it was the CIA, MOB, Cubans, USSR, Johnson... a big complicated conspiracy! you guys cannot live your lives thinking life can be so boring or simple, a conspiracy has to exist... it has to be bigger than life. Now let me destroy you weak responses below. 1.b.s from you as always.there has never been any proof that oswald was in the building. SEVERAL EYE WITNESSES PUT OSWALD IN THE BUILDING THAT DAY, EVEN ON THE 6TH FLOOR! 2.full of crap again.its well known that many other left the building.if you stopped listening to the warren commission and the the books that support it you would know thats true.marines who knew oswald said he had MAGGIE DRAWERS meaning he was a lousy shot. No most stayed in the building after the assassination, who would run out in that moment? would you? that's nuts.. 99% would stick around to assess what happened... to run out is suspicious!. He was a lousy shot? He once scored 212 out of 250 points in riflery, achiveing sharpshooter status, above marskman. He was more than capable of hitting a slow target from the distance Kennedy was 3.they only found the prints on it TWO days later and an officer who was not involved in the coverup heard oswald while being interrogated,say those were fake pics.you conviently leave out those facts.Oh and I have met marina before so your lies dont work on me.She says she told the warren commission back then she thought oswald did it only because she and her children were threatened to be deported back to Russia if she did not do so. yeah right..fake pics... yeah fake fake everything... You conspiracy theorists throw the 'fake' at us when faced with the truth as saying things are fake is the only way to try and discredit evidence.Marina admitteed Oswald owned the gun and receipts showed he purchased them... of course everything is 'FAKE' just like autopsy pics... EVERYTHING is fake and all of it was covered up... 4.yeah and then renounces his citizenship and volunteers to turn over state secrets to them and yet has no problem geeing back to the states with no problem and does not get proescuted as a traiter like any normal citizen would have been back then.your funny. He also threatened the FBI when they were investigating his wife... the man was known as a loner who wasn't too fond of his country... of course, you'll make him out to be a patriot pansy but you are conspiracy theorist! duh! 5.the warren commission failed to mention walker said he did not think he did it.ypu have done no research into this other than looking at the official version. And this proves what? nothing 6.you fail miserably again.a few witnesses talked about seeing TWO men in the window minutes before the assassination,they were looking up at it just before they arrived.some said they saw a riflemen on the OPPOSITE side of oswalds alleged nest.you are so funny. BS! no witness as as credible as Howard Brennan, who clearly saw one man taking the shots and someone who resembled Oswald 7.again you fail miserably.fraizier described how he brought it in saying that he had it tucked under his shoulder in his palm.Impossible they found out to do even when they dissassmbled it they STILL could not tuck it under their arm investigaters discovered. Again, why did Oswald claim he took in curtain rods for his curtainless room? what was he covering? 8.lies as always.whats left out here is that witnesses saw TWO men shoot oswald and they could not confirm oswald as the killer. none could identify oswald as the shooter initially.the cab driver initially said he could not identify oswald as the shooter.He had a cousin who looked very much like him and his cousin was murdered later on afterwards.it was ONLY after that happened,that the cab driver got scared and changed his story identifying oswald. Well, i wouldn't expect anything else from a conspiracy junky but let's get the real version - There were two main eye witnessess.. Helen Markham and Domingo Benavides. Domingo claimed the shooter was someone who resembled Oswald while Helen picked Oswald from a police lineup. Two other women (Barbara Davis and her sister-in-law Virginia Davis) said they heard the shooting and saw a man walking by with a gun and picked Oswald from a police lineup. The cab driver you mention also picked Oswald and that's garbage that he was 'coerced'!. Now there were others who claimed they saw two men or a heavier man from their home, a block away but how credible are these? comeon.. of course conspiracy junkies like you will discredit the Oswald eye witnesses and make it seem like the others were 'CREDIBLE'.. typical 9.Howard Breenan was the one witnesss the warren commission used who said identified oswald. what is being left out here is Breenans dsicription was very flimsy.more on that later. yes, he couldn't identify Oswald clearly but did see 1 man take the shots who resembled oswald... who just happened to be in the building and placed on 6th floor. 10.lies again.they never foundany ammunition that a mannlicher carcano fired the shot.in fact what you conventily leave out is there were MULTIPLE unaccountable bullet fragments found at the scene.one in the doorframe,one in the winshield,one in the grass you see a plainclotes policeman pick up and walke away with illegally,one in the streetsign you see in the zapruder film.when i say see,i mean the seeing the sign.poliemen made a report of a bullet hole in the street sign,same as with the windsheild saying it was an entrance in the windshield. LOL, okay.... READ: 11.lies again,most said it was from the grassy knoll.something else being ignored is one of the patrolmen ran up the grassy knoll and said he smelled gunpower and that he encountered a plainclothes policeman displaying credentials that he was with the secret service.He said later on that it came to him that this guy did not look like a secret servicemen.His fingers were dirty and had a dirty face.Oh and the secret service records showed that no secret servicemen were on foot that day.someone was obviously impersonating him. No, why do you lie? Most said they heard shots from school depository and it is crazy that shooter from grassy knoll wasn't seen by many, it was right in the middle. Also, common sense tells you that no smart shooter would pick such a spot, it's too risky. The school depository was much safer. 12.you cant be serious? this is the BEST you can do? your lone nut theorys fail misserably. DESTOYED your conspiracy BS
Okay I just read the first paragraph and skimmed through a few others and you are your dodgeing the facts and clearly rambling.you have been caught lying on most everything here as I have exposed and you have NO EVIDENCE to back up your ramblings and just here to try and brainwash people with your pathetic ramblings and lies that have been debunked.You clearly know that there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy.I proved it.you said NOTHING about that book of Lanes that I gave a link to and clearly wont read it either since it debunks your theorys. you did not counter anything I posted and keep ignoring the multiple unnaccountable bullets found everywhere that prove there was a conspiracy.Not only that,you addresss the irrelevent points when cornered and dodge all the IMPORTANT ones like the multiple unnacountable bullets that are seen in photos.Tell your handlers to send someone else.YOU clearly have failed and dont know how to debate.Its obvious what your agenda here is.again you can tell your handlers I see right through your act. Nobody here is swallowing your propaganda and b.s. I will continue exposing your lies and propaganda in my thread for everybody to see and this for sure will be my last post on this propaganda piece thread of yours.have fun talking to yourself.
okay, so looks like you admit i detsroyed your arguments... I just re-read my response and it really crushed your allegations. and you know, you conspiracy theorists cannot be argued with because you simply will not accept anything but eleborate, movie worthy conspiracies. If i throw at you 100 pieces of evidence you will simply tell me it's all fake and then use 4 or 5 very shaky and unproven aspects to claim you know what happened.
Oswald had a job there that day, and he did that job very well. He was the patsy, a patsy, put into place, and acted upon at every level of government. Play the transcripts of his interrogations while he was in the city jail?. They are known to exist, and everyone arrested for anything, and interrogated, was recorded in one means or another. His transcripts are hidden. Why? That is one clue, that all is not being offered , that is known about Oswald.
dont feed him.he is just seeking attention.didnt you notice how he evaded all my facts and changed the subject when cornered? He couldnt get anybody to take his bait and reply to his thread so he went to the 9/11 section.All my posts shoot down his arguments.not to mention these three threads here as well. http://www.politicalforum.com/jfk/271922-fairy-tales-warren-commission-hold-no-water.html http://www.politicalforum.com/jfk/2...kill-kennedy-but-did-not-kill-tippet-wel.html http://www.politicalforum.com/jfk/271922-fairy-tales-warren-commission-hold-no-water.html
I slowed down the first gif that clearly shows the hole opening and closing between 316-317. That kills it right there but there's more, from none other than Stone's Jfk movie. I looked and noticed the gape clearly in frame 319. The open gape and closing of the hole in the movie appear to be, between 319-320. Jackie bolts because and only after seeing the exit on right rear. Jackie freaks and bolts after seeing the exit on right rear. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z319.jpg Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit
Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and follow-up car come to complete stops. http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html 1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol]; 2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63]; 3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32]; 4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (199, p. 129]; 5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (199, p. 134]; 6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (199, p. 80];
JFK Wound Witnesses - (ag6) Note, this is not testimony by people who had a quick look, or were doing something else at the time and happened to see JFK. These are people who were focused specifically on the where the wound was. Their findings are backed by Zapruder which places the hole on the right rear. Not just opinions from washed-up drones. ) KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland, in an undated note apparently written contemporaneously at Parkland described the President's skull wound as, "...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392) In a hand written note dated 11-22-63, Dr. Clark wrote, "a large 3 x 3 cm remnant of cerebral tissue present....there was a smaller amount of cerebellar tissue present also....There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region....Much of the skull appeared gone at the brief examination...." (Exhibit #392: WC V17:9-10) At a press conference 2&1/2 hours after the shooting Clark said, "The head wound could have been either the exit wound from the neck or it could have been a tangential wound, as it was simply a large, gaping loss of tissue." ("At the White House with Wayne Hawks" news conference, 11/22/63, 3:16 PM, CST, Dallas, Texas) This virtually contemporaneous description is not entirely unequivocal. However, if JFK's skull defect were not rearward, it is impossible to imagine Clark would have conjectured that the skull defect was the possible exit site of the neck wound, for Malcolm Perry, MD, who participated with him in the press conference, and had performed a tracheotomy on JFK, had just claimed three times the neck wound was a wound of entrance. In a typed summary submitted to Rear Admiral Burkley on 11-23-63, Clark described the head wound as, "a large wound in the right occipito-parietal region... Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound. (Warren Report, p.518, Warren Commission Exhibit #392, Lifton, D. Best Evidence, p. 322) Under oath and to the Warren Commission's Arlen Specter, Clark described his findings upon arrival to the emergency room, "I then examined the wound in the back of the President's head. This was a large, gaping wound in the right posterior part, with cerebral and cerebellar tissue being damaged and exposed." (WC--V6:20) Specter, either inattentive to Dr. Clark's skull wound description or wishing to move the wound more anterior than the eyewitness, neurosurgery professor placed it, later asked Clark, "Now, you described the massive wound at the top of the of the President's head, with brain protruding..." (WC:6:25) Dr. Clark later located the skull wound to Mr. Specter again, "...in the right occipital region of the President's skull, from which considerable blood loss had occurred which stained the back of his head, neck and upper shoulders." (WC--V6:29) In answer to a question from Specter about the survivability of Kennedy's head wounding, Clark said: "...the loss of cerebellar (sic) tissue wound probably have been of minimal consequence in the performance of his duties. The loss of the right occipital and probably part of the right parietal lobes wound have been of specific importance..." (WC6:26) That Clark, a neurosurgeon, specified that the occipital lobe of the brain was missing cannot suggest anything but a very posterior defect. 2) ROBERT McCLELLAND, MD: In testimony at Parkland taken before Arlen Specter on 3-21-64, McClelland described the head wound as, "...I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered...so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral half, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out...." (WC--V6:33) Later he said, "...unfortunately the loss of blood and the loss of cerebral and cerebellar tissues were so great that the efforts (to save Kennedy's life) were of no avail." (Emphasis added throughout) (WC--V6:34) McClelland made clear that he thought the rear wound in the skull was an exit wound (WC-V6:35,37). McClelland ascribed the cause of death to, "...massive head injuries with loss of large amounts of cerebral and cerebellar tissues and massive blood loss." (WC--V6:34) McClelland's unwillingness to change his recollection has recently attracted detractors in the aftermath of Charles Crenshaw's book, "Conspiracy of Silence". McClelland told Posner, "I saw a piece of cerebellum fall out on the stretcher." (Posner, G. "CC.", p. 311, paper). To dismiss McClelland, Posner quotes Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that... It shows such poor judgment, and usually he has such good judgment." (Posner G. "Case Closed". p. 311, paperback edition.) Perry's own inconsistent and unreliable memory lessens the merit of his opinions of others, as we will see. No credible evidence of a forward exit has ever surfaced. It is complete fiction. Frame 313 and 337.
Why I believe Lee Oswald killed John Kennedy. 1. He didn't use the scope. Lee Oswald tried to use his scope when he tried to murder former right wing U.S. army General Edwin Walker, an ardent anti-Communist who was sacked by JFK for his crazy comments in Europe. Oswald tried to kill him through his dining room window but failed. Like most ardent conspiracy buffs, I have a Manlincher Carcano with the same style scope and two years ago I discovered an interesting fact while looking at the rifle. The mounting of the scope left the fore and rear sites free and clear for use? I then figured, knowing how (*)(*)(*)(*) poor the scope was, that Oswald was trained with the M-1 rifle and by all evidence he was a good shot at MCRD....seeing as how he'd been shooting rifles since he was 8yo. Oswald forewent the use of the scope, reverted to his marksmanship training and shot using the iron sites. Faster re-loading time, easier aiming and got 2 of 3 shots into the target. 2. 14 seconds vice 8 to shoot. I went back through all the testamony of the WR after watching a you tube video that argued Oswald had more time to shoot than previously thought. Sure enough, the first shot.....which missed the car, hit the pavement and struck James Tauge in the cheek was fired below the shooter's window. I duplicated the placements of the shell hulks from the 3 rounds with my own rifle. The first landing to my right farther in distance than the two that bounced off a solid wall behind me and landed close together at my feet. This proves both the WR and all conspiracy theories wrong in that Oswald had 14 seconds, not 6, not 8 for all three shots which averages 4 seconds between bolt cycles to aim and shoot. Without using the scope I was able to match this time on a range and achieve 3 accurate hits on a target's head at 200 yards. If you watch the ZF, look for a little girl running on the left side of the car on the grassy park. She stops abruptly and turns towards the TSBD, this is the moment of the first shot. 3. The Secret Service research film The Secret Service did a re-enactment film for the WC in which they took footage from the ground up to the sniper's wondow and from that window to the street below and in both views a clearly disernable hole is present in the Elm Street traffic light below that window. The simulation car passes right below that sign and the Presidential limo's location at the moment of the first shot is verified by witnesses as being at that spot. That shot makes the total shooting time 14 seconds not 6 or 8. 4. JFK's medical back brace. I found a near duplicate of the US Navy issued cloth strap brace used by Jack Kennedy on the day he was shot at the Puget Sound Naval History Museum and I thank the custodian for allowing me to put it on for a test. The brace kept me limited in my ability to lean in any direction while seated. It made JFK a sitting duck, a wonderful target! 5. JFK killed himself Against all advice, good advice, JFK opted for an open car parade because he was JFK a self serving, meglamanic dumb SOB who was hungry for attention and got high off his own dillusional zest for fame and public-hood. The idiot begged to be killed, he even said himself that no one could protect him well enough and he was correct. He approved the trip, he approved the schedule, he approved the motorcade, he complained about having Secret Service men riding alll over his car...no wonder the dumb a** got himself whacked! At 12:30pm on November 22nd, 1963 everything went to Oswald's desire thanks to Jack Kennedy, including that back brace which kept that self-absorbed dumb ass as steady as a rock. The first shot happened just as the limo finished its turn. The bullet went through the street light, hit the curb to the left of the car, traveled through the plazza and hit James Tauge at the tripple underpass. The second shot hit Kennedy in the back, went out his throat and because of alignment to shooter it went through Governor John Connoly and embeddded shallow in his leg. The third shot struck JFK because he couldn't move and blew his stupid brains alll over the place. The description of witnesses, of his wife, of people who saw the car and the film confirms it was a high shot from upper right back to low left front. A shot from the TBSD. The three spent shells confirm the angle of the rifle and placement of the shots. Done and done.... The country has suffered enough from you idiot conspiracy hugging freaks, some of you now spreading your crapo to include Sandyhook elementary....don't any of you have any brains let alone the ability to use them? JFK has been dragged through the mud by you jerks enough after 50 years, it's time the poor man and the country got an eternal rest. Wake up, stop snorting your coke and looking for aliens and get on with you small, meaningless lives.
Notice how this loon overlooks the truth? I like the Photoshop fakery someone tried to use on the orriginal film, very nice there conspiracy loon. - - - Updated - - - And using the now debunked Oliver Stone movie? Nice try. Someday I hope someone will "JFK" Stone's head.
His use of the word "patsy" was because he stated that they chose him because he had lived in the Soviet union. No, you were arrested because you were caught Lee.
[video=youtube;ExsNj9H7LbA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExsNj9H7LbA[/video] Go to 6:44 in this film and you will see the hole in the signal light. [video=youtube;o1TfcW21Vxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1TfcW21Vxo[/video] In this film you will see the hole at 3:24 to 3:27
Looking at this picture of the ejected shell casings, I took my own Carcano and replicated the measurements where the stacks of boxes were from the sniper's window. My shell casings landed identical to the picture. The first shot was of course the farthest casing because the rifle was almost 90 degrees perpendicullar to the window sill. The second shot is the forward casing of the two lying next to each other, this shot was made at an angle of 10 to 15 degrees relative to the window sill. The third and final shot is the last casing, the shot made at 20 to 23 degrees relative to the window sill. The shooter also moved his body while aiming to maintain track on his target. Conspiracy? What B.S.
the only thing thats b.s is your posts and his.All you guys do is selectively address parts of posts and ignore key evidence and facts.you have no answers for these facts in this thread below or the facts below them.how much are your bosses paying you? http://www.politicalforum.com/jfk/2...kill-kennedy-but-did-not-kill-tippet-wel.html love the logic of the lone nut theorists.the warren commission was so biased of an investigation its a sick joke It doesnt even touch on many key facts such as several of the witnesses testimony were altered by the warren commission,itself an illegal act,or the many unnaccountable bullets found that day like an entrance shot to the windshield that forensic officers said was an indeed an entrance shot,or the bullet photographed in the doorframe,or the one on the curb that was replaced two days later and plastered over with,or the one on the street marked by an officer,and the one in the street sign seen in the zapruder film that witnesses saw which was taken down and replaced a day later, or the one where a police officer is seen picking it up one off the grass and putting it in his pocket and walking away with it illegally removing evidence and according to two women, they altered the testimony of two theirs of having gone down the same stairway the warren commission said oswald went down during the same timeframe.altering their timeframe they gave. again they altered many witnesses testimony.a crime itself. you all are also ignorant of the testimony of Rose Cherimae, whom you see in the beginning of the film JFK she was a woman found on the side of a highway in Louisiana by a highway patrol officer who was taken to a hospital and told doctors a couple days before the assassination that there was a plot to kill kennedy.that there were MEN traveling to dallas to kill kennedy.they did not take her serious at first because she was found to be on drugs, but after the assassination,they then took her seriously and called the dallas police,and how conveinent for the government that she ended up dying mysteriously after that. many witnesses who came forward and gave testimony that did not fit the governments version of events ended up dying mysteriously.in fact,some witnesses kept quiet for many years because they were afraid of winding up as mysterious deaths if they camer forward and talked about a gunman they saw firing a rifle behind the picket fence.Now they are old and close to death so they dont care anymore and are no longer afraid. you lone nut theorists have no answers for any of these facts.
I was a 10 years old on that day. I was moved to tears by the loss of our President. Over the years I've followed all or many of the TV specials on the assassination and I've come to the conclusion that Oswald could and did take three shots in 6 seconds and two of them hit JFK. There is no magic bullet. When you place Gov. Connolly in the correct place and the correct height in the limo's jump seat the bullet trajectory matches that of the first shot that exited JFK's throat. There was no manhole shooter because that shot would have had to go through the limo windshield if the shooter was still inside the manhole when he took the shot. It was Oswald.
you need to read my last post because it proves you have no idea what you are talking about.You have never seen the movie JFK either obviously because it is 100 times more accurate to the truth on what actually really happened that the warren commission is. there is a magic bullet,you just dont want to believe it.
