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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Inane attempt at a deflection duly noted since your own link just blew your utterly bogus allegation right out of water!

    :roflol:
     
  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Sure, I guess you think the Constitution grants the Government, power over you? It should not even need a link. Do you think your little emogi, lends any more credence, to your posts? Here, see, I can do that too. :roflol:

    Most people know the Constitution is a limitation on Government and dont need emojis or links to "prove" the patently obvious. Most learned it in Middle School, civics....most. Evidently not all.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Inane STRAWMAN and appeal to an nonexistent majority FALLACY all you have now that your own LINK destroyed your BS allegation?

    That ONGOING FAILURE is amusing hence the emojis.

    Perhaps you should have READ your own LINK first.

    Who knows, you might have learned what they should have taught you in school about the ABJECT FAILURE of "limited government" when it was first attempted under the Articles of Confederation. That is WHY we NOW have the EMPOWERED Federal government instead.

    DOCUMENTED FACTUAL REALITY overrides whatever fallacies "most people" erroneously believe.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    OK, so why dont YOU tell us the purpose of the Constitution? Entertain us.

    Sure, I guess you think the Constitution grants the Government, power over you? It should not even need a link.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Why don't you read your own link if you seriously want the answer to your asinine strawman?
     
  6. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    You have no answer, I'm "shocked" I say. Are you afraid to answer?


    OK, so why dont YOU tell us the purpose of the Constitution? Entertain us.
     
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    I really don’t understand why you post these incoherent ramblings, instead of just admitting you can’t cite any such ruling like I asked you to.
     
  8. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    False Authority Fallacy. SCOTUS does not interpret the Constitution. The States do. They are the owners of it. They created it. They ratified it. They amend it. They interpret it.

    The proper authority is the Constitution itself. Article I Section VIII does not grant the federal government legislative power over healthcare. It is a State issue, not a federal issue. The federal government acted unconstitutionally.
     
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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.

    The "common Defense and general Welfare" clause is simply a broad reference to the enumerated powers listed directly below the clause. For example, things like healthcare, education, and marriage laws are NOT enumerated powers, which is why those are delegated to the states, and NOT to the Federal Government.

    The Defense and general Welfare of our country is derived from its enumerated powers. If something is not enumerated, it's delegated to the states, or to the citizens themselves.

    Yes I know, the federal government and federal courts have been exceeding their authority for many decades now, but that doesn't make it right or constitutional.
     
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    I'll even one-up you... Those who like centralized power and control desire to DESTROY the Constitution. It gets in the way of their Marxist pipe dream. Liberals already openly reject the whole document, as I will outline below:

    ** They reject the limits on the legislative powers of Congress. (thus rejecting Article I)
    ** They reject the executive powers of the President if they happen to not like the President, and they reject the Electoral College. They reject the proper method and reasoning for removing a President from office. They reject the enumerated duties of a President, especially the duties of preserving/defending/protecting the US Constitution. (thus rejecting Article II)
    ** They reject the scope and role of SCOTUS and other inferior courts. They believe that SCOTUS are the sole interpreters of the US Constitution. They believe that SCOTUS are oligarchs. (thus rejecting Article III)
    ** They reject the Republican form of government that is guaranteed to the States. They reject protecting the States from invasions and domestic violence (especially when relating to immigration). (thus rejecting Article IV)
    ** They reject the formal amendment process, and instead regularly misuse the court system as a "work-around" to that. They wish to transform the USA into the SOA (Socialist Oligarchy of America). (thus rejecting Article V)
    ** They reject legislating in pursuance of the US Constitution. (thus rejecting Article VI)
    ** They reject that the States (collectively) are the owners of the US Constitution. (thus rejecting Article VII)
    ** They also reject many of the Amendments to the Constitution, and actively fight against people's inherent rights (such as to have and express an opinion, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, due process, etc...)

    So, as you can see, they reject the whole works. It gets in their way. They hate the document.
     
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    Yes I do, and I already did.
     
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    BINGO!!!
     
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    Medicare isn't constitutional on a federal level either. It is, once again, a State issue.

    Sources: Article I Section VIII enumerated legislative powers of Congress, Article VII, Amendment X.
     
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    Sez you.
     
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    So you didn’t take basic civics in 6th grade. Got it. All legislation is constitutional, unless ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Your opinion of a law is utterly meaningless.
     
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    Show where it is constitutional for the Gov. to FORCE you to buy a private product.

    Why a Judge Ruled Obamacare Unconstitutional, and What ...

    https://www.heritage.org › health-care-reform › commentary › why-judge-...

    Dec 17, 2018 - A judge has declared Obamacare unconstitutional—but the case is far ... the penalty associated with violating the individual mandate as a tax ...
     
  17. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually it could more easily be applied that Our Government { as of Today }
    that IT { Our Government } not our Constitution is the one guilty of assuming Power
    over us.What else would you call ObamaCares Individual Mandate.Or Gays being
    able to be Married..Or making it easy breezie to have an Abortion.
    Or Sanctuary Cities.Or Illegals { in any form } having voting rights, availability
    of Drivers licenses and getting welfare benefits.
    That is ALL on account of a Rogue,out of control Federal Government run amuck.
    Not our pristine Constitution.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have a mix of State legislation and federal.
    The vote results in legislation. Government function.

    The Constitution protects us from Government functions that violate the citizens' God given rights.. As Stated in the Preamble.

    Rights come from God, and are protected by the Constitution.
     
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    What is the mindset of "We the people" with respect to gay marriage these days ? - and is this an area in which Gov't should even be involved ... sans the benefits and rights part - which should be the same regardless of the respective genders of the couple.

    For my part - I don't care what some couple wants to call their civil union - Who am I to say to these folks "You can't name your civil union - Marriage" - and what right does the Gov't have to get involved ?
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess this happens when kids in grade school No Longer are
    required to have a Civics class.What happens instead is that Kids
    are weaned on a new form of Civics.How Great this Obama is/was/
    Just the greatest thing in America since Baseball,Mom and apple pie.
    Then the move to disparage our History,our founders and now even
    Thanksgiving { as MSNBC's Joy Reid } just demonstrated.
    Meaning ... the Commies are here.The Commies are taking over.
     
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    Brown v. Board of Education says Gays can call their marriage, a marriage.

    Separate but Equal is anything but.
     
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    It takes awhile to figure out its just all Civil War discussion. I'm sure its boiling hot Civil War discussion and it take a while to realize. Consider the southern states weren't participating in the '50's and 60's elections. All the Supreme Court decision Says is "Two Separate things can never Be Equal", then I read Governor George Wallace taking about the amalgamation of the one great Unit of races and things to be communism, then al they use to explain that Supreme Court decision is unbridled "Social activism". They need an answer key on top of a decoder ring for these things. Separate but Equal included.
     
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    And good for them . An alternate way to look at Brown v BOE is the Gov't saying it has no legitimate authority to legislate that a Gay couple can not call their marriage a marriage :)
     
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    All nice and cutesy feel good talk.
    While you peddle that drool,our Country is being Broken,on purpose
    and Not for the benefit of We the People.But for sheer mass popularity and
    a Political Party and it's bosses to take over virtually every aspect of
    an American's life.Tell us what state was free from ObamaCares Individual
    Mandate,UNTIL President Trump eliminated.If not for the rank pesky
    pride and belligerence of Trump hating John McCain { his vote allowed
    ObamaCare to stay alive }.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suppose
     

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