Our current military readiness

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  1. Dayton3

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    And if you have your way "everything we got" would mean we would have "damned little" in case of war.

    And if you were in the military you should realize that a military force that's most productive is one that deters an attack. Not one that wins once a war starts.

    The U.S. Navy would deter nothing with five carrier groups.
     
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    Another claim you make with no evidence or foundation whatsoever. How can you with a straight face claim we "will be twice as safe".
     
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    It sure works for China and Russia and everyone else
     
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    No it doesn't.

    But for that matter.

    So does slave labor in China. Are you suggesting we copy that?
     
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    No one could attack us. Our soldiers are safest at home
     
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    We are discussing the military. And China and Russia are safer than we are from attack
     
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    Keeping soldiers "safe" is not a serious foreign policy goal. If they wanted to stay "safe" they should not join the military in the first place.
     
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    What makes you think that?
     
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    Wow. You are very free with their lives....especially since you won't be going
     
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    Of course I am. It isn't unreasonable to expect people to be what they are not only sworn to do but which they knowingly VOLUNTEERED to do. I also expect firefighters to rush in to burning buildings and police officers to confront and subdue armed and dangerous people.

    And while I've never served in the military (and never will) virtually every other male in my family has or is currently serving.
     
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    How nice for them. We should not be sending our american heroes all over the world to die for corporate interests. Bring them home to protect THIS country
     
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    Why not? I can't remember which president who said "The business of America is business".
     
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    When I raised my right hand I promised to defend AMERICA....not Exxon.
     
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    same difference
     
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    Then you go die for a corporation
     
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    Corporations are made up of people Vg. Mainly American citizens.
     
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    Having young Americans die for corporate profits is disgusting
     
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    Why? One of our country's founding issues was economic. Taxation without representation.
     
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    It is absolutley disgusting that a young man should die so that Walmart can make a higher profit. Soldiers should die to protect their country from invasion....that's it. But it is easy to send young men and women to die if it is not you and your family that is going
     
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    OK, eliminate "hate" and "sob." What the diametric opposite stances between the two different groups? How many times have you posted worry of President Trump causing millions of N. Koreans to be killed? Your entire threads lamenting Japanese deaths by the two atom bombs of WW2? But now write you don't care if Taiwan is "wiped off the face of the earth."

    Explain it.
     
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    Don't you think a nation can be threatened even if not threatened with invasion?

    By the time the United States faced an actual invasion the war (and its existence) would be long lost anyway.

    You seem to be stuck in 18th century mindset.
     
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    We will not be wiping Taiwan off the face of the earth. That is my point. It was wrong what WE did in WW2. We are not responsible for what every other country does.
     
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    No I don't. Again China and Russia seem to be getting by just fine with a fraction of our military spending
     
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    Liberals believe they should be wealth as their birth right, that greater share of world wealth should be their's just because. None are willing to accept the "fairness" of living like the majority of people do - hand to mouth hoping for the next meal and - if lucky - having a shack to live in with zero medical care, no vehicle and no modern conveniences.

    The reality is the USA is wealthy because it is a kick ass country - right or wrong. Wiped out the Native Americans. Successfully warred against Britain. Against Spain. Against Mexico. Delayed entering WW2 and then finally doing so to assure that 1.) ALL our economic competitors were obliterated and 2.) we then rush in to claim the victory with no homeland damage. Across the board, the Americans were kick ass. Took over worldwide shipping because our ship masters drove their ships in all weather day and night, while the British didn't sail at night and pulled up sails in a storm. Our sweatshops pushed harder than other countries. The list is long.

    Essentially, the USA's great wealth and power is exactly based upon people dying - including for the wealth of this country. Wars are about wealth. Doesn't matter if you want wealth or not, because war will come to you.

    Many white liberals are like spoiled brats at a store checkout lane demanding candy on the rack. When told no, they have to do some chore to earn it first, the brat will throw himself on the floor sobbing and screaming in a temper tantrum. They expect everyone else to just give them whatever they want for free - and nothing is more intolerant than the response of they have to earn it first.

    The USA is wealthy and powerful because of wars more any another reason. Without wars there would be no United States at all.
     
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    So you are willing to live at the economic, employment and social level of the average Chinese or Russian?

    You then agree all our social programs, medical coverage, safety nets and salary levels, plus living standards should be reduced down to the level of China and Russia, correct? That is your point, isn't it? All working people in the USA should have jobs like working people in China have. Same environmental, OSHA and EEOC laws as China too.

    But ok, let's all remember this. Ronstar says the USA should be like Russia and China.
     
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