Our education system could get a boost by copying Finland

What is the lie?

 

Uuum. I slowly paid off my student loans over 10 years. I only let it ride that long because they were no interest loans, so there was no benefit in paying them off earlier, but I could've easily paid in cash after a couple of years of working. Whats wrong with that? Anyone permanently crippled by student loans has obviously made some bad decisions or isn't as employable as they think they are. That's not uncommon. Successful people always find a way. Thinking you've lost before you even get started is good sign of failure.

Although I don't think I understand 1/2 the stuff you're babbling about though. Seems pretty incoherent with your student poverty rambling.

What do you do for a living by the way?

 

Probably a good reason why exceptional people from America figure out how to lead industries. Sure, maybe a country can boast how "smart" their kids are. But in the end, I look at who's producing the more successful, industry leaders out there and the US mostly dominates on all counts. We have a lot of dumb people, but we also have the cream of the crop.

 

Testing separates the competent, the incompetent and the mediocre.

 

It is a lie that we teach students, in school, the principal that

Show me one textbook, used from K-12, that teaches that as a principle. Show me the curriculum of a school district that states it's goal is to teach children this principle.

 

A person that has been done lengthy time in prison can get out, go to school and do well. So prison can be conducive to education. That's doesn't mean we should send people to prison before they go to school.

 

I'm not talking about tuition, which is paid to the university not the student, so your whole post is irrelevant. Americans have a mental block about discussing what is really wrong with this system. It is work without pay; that makes it a non-starter. At age 18, a man should have the income from a full-time job or he will never grow up. Four years lost in personal growth will damage him permanently. I state that time and time again and your mind authomatically flicks to tuition, proving that you are in denial.

Those who imposed this indentured servitude on us know perfectly well that its essence is working without pay. It is not about getting educated. That's why they make sure that their own brats have plenty of money to cover a comfortable lifestyle in college, which also gives them the time and energy to study more than those who have to scrape by on part-time jobs. If you oppose paying a salary to go to college, then you have to support outlawing living off an allowance too.

Fine, I'll go for that, because if the children of the rich have to live like everybody else, they will drop out or not go to college at all at the same rate as everybody else. Their fathers will soon demand that people get paid to go to college. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. But of course they won't. So we must force them to.

Why do you support this class-biased system? You can't have much self-respect if you are willing to sacrifice while preppies don't have to. Will they respect you for not resenting their unearned advantages? I get it, people like you are the only ones they will hire. Why should I work for people like that? Once they treat me that way, they will continue to, as evidenced by the demand to become a workoholic once they hire you. Sacrificing your personal life and personality is not compensated by making a lot of money.

The only thing the universities do right is something they shouldn't do at all: sports. What kind of teams would they recruit if all they offered was free tuition as a "scholarship," no room and board and all the other lures? They wouldn't get much talent that way, forcing the athletes to finance their own lifestyles. So why do you think tuition is the main factor? Would the ruling class ever just play tuition for the Heirheads without giving them a big allowance to live on? No way. Unlike you, they know what college is really all about.

 

I think you have a mental block. Again, what do you do for a living to come to these very odd conclusions? I'll assume nothing considering your angst, bitterness and apparent envy . You are NOT open minded. You are NOT enlightened. You just seem confused and unable to accept the real world. College actually helps you grow up and become an adult, or at least it puts you in situations that force you to be responsible. Of course you can toss it all away, or you can embrace it.

I think you think life OWES you something. No one owes you anything. The guy working next to me paid his own way through college, while I paid about 1/2, since I had a much better family life and more support. He struggled far more, but in the end, we're mostly in the same place, content and happy. He has NO sympathy for those who complain about how paying for college is hard. He did it so anyone can. I agree. Spend less time moaning about how "great" others have it, and more time honing your skills and making yourself indispensable to your clients, whomever you work for or become your own boss and take total control. But then, whiners will always find excuses for their failures. That's why they're losers.

If you hate everyone successful, which I gather from your tone, then you will have a hard time working with them, because successful people don't like being around those who complain about their inadequacies. But you probably get along great with others who think like you do. Its just not the right people to be around. Make a change.

 

nother great point!!

 

"the only people who ever get ahead are greedy and do so by stealing from or taking advantage of others"

The results show otherwise.

 

Hmmm how can they be preventing exceptional performance and yet achieve it at the same time? Clearly youre not really thinking about it.

Ill make it clearer, they do test, we know that because thats how we know children are so advanced. They just dont emphasise it and spend much less time and effort on it.

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No Bluesguy, youve just been making it up off the top of head. This 'principle' blather about greedy people getting ahead etc etc is not taught in schools. Never has been. Its just a stupid conservative myth.

 

No creation it is what we see coming out of the schools and even the teachers and unions calling for higher taxes on the rich to pay their "fair share". And we certainly see the elimination of competition in schools being taught.

 

"...they do test..."

Taxcutter says:
The OP link stated that they do very little testing. Is their "exceptional performance" due to lax standards or are they simply handed out randomly?

 

No thats not what you see coming out of schools. teachers and unions political opinions does not equate to this 'principle' of yours being taught. As for competition being eliminated, it hasnt been - thats just another thing you just added in.

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Yes, should I repeat myself? Ok Ill be absolutely clear;

They do test. There is very little testing, both are true statements.

Now what do you think?

 

Replacing our class-biased indentured-servitude college system with highly paid professional training will motivate the brightest minds to study. The ambitious imbeciles who support the present system realize a reward-up-front system will make the talent pool competing to get into college far larger than the talent puddle we get by only motivating rich kids, brown-noses, and escapists afraid to grow up. They know they won't make the cut.

Similarly, the NFL was low-paying until the 50s and got very few of the top college players to turn pro. That is so obvious that it should go without saying, which shows how widespread and lifelong the brainwashing has been to make people "think" that getting a job by going four years without a job can possibly get people who will do a good job.

 

What do I think?

Sketchy testing and vague standards don't tell us much about performance.

 

They dont do as much testing, theres nothing to suggest sketchy testing or vague standards.

 

No testing at all til high school? That's rather sketchy.

You could easily have eighth-graders that can't read a sentence.

I read the link and think the Finns value conformity over competence.

 

Yes you could have eight graders without reading, but do you? And what does it matter if the results are good later on?

And whats this conformity nonsense youre giving me?

 

I agree with the last paragraph.

 

Judging by one person, who is a real person and not a smudge on a report, Mattie Finn on perspectives.com received a lousy education in English. What's more, he stubbornly refuses to improve himself. Most of all, his logic is as much of a joke as his English.

 

In the USA we just aren't past thinking our s#%$ don't stink. So now we're accustomed to being lead instead of finding ways to do things.

 

Does something HAVE to be in a text book to be 'taught'?

Children pick up learn morals from all sorts of people, and their parents, teachers, and fellow classmates tend to be the main soruce of where they learn this from.

 

You can say anything is taught is schools by that criteria. You could say I was taught how to kiss girls in school with that criteria. That doesn't prove anything.

 

I am simply saying that you can learn things without a text book.

Perhaps we all should evaluate ourselves and how we do things, and look at how our children tend to pick up habits and mannerisms from us. If we 'as a species' were less greedy and materialistic, perhaps our children would be too.

But still, I know that is a pipe dream. I can only affect my nieces and nephews that I spend time with. I cannot affect another person's child. That is the job of the parents, the teachers, and the childs friends, in that order.