Our red line!

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  1. Third Eyientist

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    Who else agrees? Unanimous?
     
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    Who is laughing at it?
     
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    I'm not.....
     
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    A red line that has been crossed demands action. Failure to do so would be perceived as extreme weakness in most of the world. Therefore, Obama must act. He's cornered. He can no longer "not act". Nor can he delay things very much longer.

    So now, we wait. Russians have 16 warships and a few nuclear submarines on station. US has 4 ships so far, Brits have a few nuclear subs... you know... this could get interesting.

    If I read Mr. Putin correctly, he won't lie down for a US invasion, and neither will Iran. So, depending on what Obama does, he could either "test the waters" with a small action and let's see what happens, or, he could go for the full monte in which case he'd have to stand down Putin, and I'm not sure that would be so easy.

    And meanwhile, the Chinese are still in the background, watching... they haven't said much so far... or done much...
     
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    I have a strong feeling that a deal has been made with Putin and the rest of the world are licking their chops to see us waste 600000 bucks per Tomahawk misslie.
     
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    Hussein Obama at his finest.

    When do the Nobel people ask for their Peace Prize back?
     
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    The Nobel prize is given out by a private estate, there's no obligation on them to choose candidates that aren't the antithesis of the award on offer.

    That said, Obama clearly is. It's no better than giving Bush one.
     
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    The American people must fight this. You're suggesting we have to go to war because an idiot shot his mouth off. A small action is worthless. Like tossing a pebble at a hornet's nest.

    Yeah, he might have caused WW3. Awesome.
     
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    Forget it! These internationist socialist bastards still have their eyes glazed over with adulation for the great Black Messiah. Well... at least he's half-Black.... You noticed that they didn't say one ****ing word after Obama launched warfare on Libya in 2011, and they won't say one ****ing word after Obama does whatever the hell he feels like doing in Syria....

    Oh, BTW, did the Obama regime ever get around to producing any PROOF that it was the Syrian government that set off the gas attack? Is it all still just a matter of "taking them at their word"...? Uh-huh. That's exactly the kind of stupidity that got this country up to its neck in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN! This whole damn thing is now nothing more than this: Obama feels he needs to pull down his zipper and show Vladimir Putin that he's a man! It was bad enough when we elected an inept, unqualified clown as our President in the first place. The fact that we actually re-elected anyone as bad as Obama may cripple this country for many years to come....
     
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    "...he might have caused WW3."

    Taxcutter says:
    While I think intervening in a low-grade war that is going exactly to the US' best interests is beyond dumb, any talk of World War III is silly.

    Neither Russia nor China have any intentions or (more importantly) capabilities of stopping the US. The evil and ruthless Soviets more than once stood and watched while the US proxy (Israel) beat the stuffings out of Syria and Egypt. Today's Soviets have far less capability than the late 1970s Soviets.

    To stop the US from bombing Syria to their hearts' content Russia would have to go nuclear. Chess-playing Russians see no advantage in that gambit. The US has at least some ABM capability and Russia has zero. Even if the Russian missiles have the same reliability and accuracy as the US missiles (questionable) the Russians have a smaller number of high value targets. The miniaturization of the US economy robbed the Russians of the concentrated high-value targets their grandfathers had. Both sides will be messed up by a nuclear exchange but the Russians cannot believe they won't get the worst of it.

    What can the Chinese do? Call in all the US debt they hold? Even if they could, all that would do is wreck their biggest market. China's economy is shamelessly export-driven. Any disruption in the US market and China's economy would make 1930 America look like boom times by comparison.

    So just who is going to big-league industrial power war with the US over Syria?
     
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    Good article. Seems like the media is running the show here.

    Once they started screaming about the red line being crossed all those careful option outs evaporated.

    Aren't they supposed to be tree hugging pacifist? Where did all the paper war hawks suddenly appear from?

    Any guesses?
     
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    I don't believe this is just about humanitarian issues and our media would follow Obama into a burning gasoline refinery....
     
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    They did the same thing with the war in Iraq and not beating down the odd belief that many people had (and some still do) that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11.

    The media is powerful and the federal government knows it.
     
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    They were a million a piece during Bush 1's war for profit. The price has gone down since 1990?
     
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    Its an interesting turn of events here. The article makes the case that the red line was very blurry, "when we see lots of chemical weapons getting moved around...." "that will definitely be a red line for us." and so on. But no definitive threat.

    I can see lots of ways for people to interpret this. It could be the media trying to increase viewership by dramatizing the situation. It could be a push for intervention due to humanistic concerns. Or more likely this particular story could be perceived as an effort to buy the white house time to weigh its options.

    Seems like things may settle down after a lot of sword rattling in real time.

    Watch the partizan hacks try to find some new way to turn this into a "major disaster" and amp up military anxiety. Makes me nauseous.
     
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    My bad, it looks like they cost 1.5 billion now....
     
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    If we go in alone, I might have call Obama the dumbest human on the planet. Sorry, but I have to say, let them all kill eachother. Its not our fight. Egypt isn't threatening us. They're not waving WMDs in our faces, daring us to come look, denying they exist. Obama should just suck it up and eat crow. Taste some humility you egotist.
     
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    The idea that not attacking Syria is a sign of weakness because of some lofty rhetoric issued months ago is silly McCain bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Nice profit for somebody huh?
     
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    Drawing these red lines is demoralizing. It's like accusing Syria of running a stop sign or a red light, or it's like comparing the mass murder of hundreds of people to breaking forum rules where the mods will post a red line as a warning. It's some perspective, but it's too diminished. Obama should have called it the threshold of evil death instead of the red line.
     
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    The only reason to act would be for Obama's pride, its says nothing about the might of the US. Everyone knows if American and her allies need to they're the greatest force on the planet.

    Theres nothing to prove apart from allowing the Muslims to sort our their own backyard.
     
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    Yep, I wonder how much it costs to make one....
     
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    You're probably right. We should simply create an arbitrary timeline (like tomorrow), and just bomb the begeezus out of everybody, then ask questions later. Maybe make up a speech containing the words "mushroom clouds", or some such. Tell everybody terror is coming to your town tomorrow, and we need to act immediately. That MIGHT work.

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    Ahhh..cost doesn't matter (except when it comes to working people...then, it.s an issue).
     

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