Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by JakeStarkey, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. mitchscove

    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    ,,, because we know that prohibition works every time. The school was a gun free killing ground as was Sandy Hook as is Chicago ,,,,

    Try again.
     
  2. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    ted and mitch's way has not worked, so their suggestions are failures.
     
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    Oh don't worry, you have no right to Habeas Corpus now.
     
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    Agreed and we have such lists for gun ownership too.
    But that doesn't solve it. And 9/11 still happened.
    And school massacres still happen and murders still happen. Frequently.

    Lists are part of the solution for gun control, but not enough to have stopped it. They have not reduced it to a managable level.
    And yes we can't identify disturbed people. Because sometimes people aren't disturbed until they become disturbed.
    And me saying "I want to kill you" might just be a flippant remark and indeed usually will be in 99.99% of all times that statement is made.

    Will crazy people still want to kill lots of people if we ban their access to mass killing devices? Most likely. Will they be readily and easily able to? Not really.

    So I'll stick with your example of 9/11. Now that people are unable to get weapons onto planes, how many 9/11's have their been?
    Weapons bans work.

    Muslims still want to attack America, that hasn't changed, only their ability to has.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Canada and many other places are full of gun free schools....and no school shootings
     
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    TedintheShed Banned

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    Re: prohibition. This is an excellent point. In the United States, prohibition fails whether it is alcohol, drugs or guns. There are too many logistical issues that make prohibition impossible.
     
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  7. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    No one is asking for prohibition, ted, but we are asking for action to deny crazies access to weapons.

    Your deflections are laughable.
     
  8. TedintheShed

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    Delete
     
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  9. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    You don't know? Ohhhhhkkkaaaaayyyy.
     
  10. TedintheShed

    TedintheShed Banned

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    No you aren't.

    You are using this as justification to remove arms from otherwise sane citizens. If the prohabition was only for the objectively mentally I'll (and on this forum, I've seen anti-gun rights folk state that is anyone who may want to own a gun, btw) then it would be fine with that.

    But in this very conversation it has been stated that simply by owning guns I am a danger to everyone around me and that simply isn't a rational statement. That is a reaction to hysteria due to recent events.

    And what deflections?
     
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  11. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    No, where can Ted show that I am using this as "justification to remove arms from otherwise sane citizens."

    I am saying we have to break the access of crazies to weapons.

    To argue against this is crazy.

    If you are crazy, Ted, you are "a danger to everyone around me and that simply isn't a rational statement."

    No has said that.
     
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    You don't really believe that incidents like 911 could happen without putting guns on the planes? You couldn't do that before 911 either.
    I won't give you any details, but in considering how safe we might be from such terrorists, one tries to figure out what their options might be- what holes exist in our defense.
    There are some big ones. It would be possible to do even more damage, with no guns on the planes, no terrorists dying or captured- and the present security could not prevent it. I only hope that the federal agencies have given broad thought to the options, and have some security steps in place we don't know about.

    It is the terrorists choice to attack, not our defense that prevents it. Since Bin Laden was killed, the terrorists have taken a different tack.
     
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    You see this what only I can assume is the type of obfuscation I wish to avoid. At this point, since I previously asked I can only assume it is an attempt to duck yet another rational response. By not replying directly to my posts, I don't know what post you are replying to so I must assume this is in reference to this:

    That was in response to this:

    So, you see it HAS been said.
     
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  14. Polydectes

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    Okay, what actions should be taken? Do you know?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There was a time, a long time ago, before the phrase "school shooting" had a negative connotation.

    This was also a time before many of the schools were filled with a majority of juvenile delinquents.

    I'm not saying bringing back school shooting classes would be a viable thing today in the majority of public schools, but one does have to ask themselves why they were seen as viable 70 years ago.
     
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  16. JakeStarkey

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    TedintheShed has had the door shut and locked on him until he can discuss intelligently these issues.
     
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    Our local High School has a Target Shooting Team & High School students have had access to semi automatic firearms for decades before "school shooting" and a negative connotation.
    Briefly put, little has changed as far as individuals having access to semi auto firearms up to recent decades.

    What has changed in the last few decades is the proliferation of violent Video Games that has desensitized students to the horror of taking another life.
    Spending hours in front of a screen with very realistic scenes engaging in virtual killing is bound to have as detrimental an effect on growing, impressionable young minds than any drug they can ingest.
    The only difference is that the drug will eventually leave one's system while the desensitizing effect of virtual killing via violent video games leaves an impression that remains in the individuals' mind.

    Since banning violent video games is as likely to fail as dismally as existing gun control laws have, I feel the the solution to school shootings must include increased security measures at the schools along with increased mental health access & screening.
     
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    You aren't going to change jack, which is fair because all you really want is to limit the rights of the law abiding as much as possible.

    Nice of you to stand on a pile of innocent bodies while you do it.
     
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    I'm sure there is - but it has nothing do with limiting the rights of the law abiding.
     
  20. Russell Hellein

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    Based on past US history if the multiple killings continue to accelerate at some point the public will require more regulation. Whether you think that is a good or bad idea if a strong political reality given past history anyhow. There were no regulations at the federal level of guns until Clyde Darrow, Dillinger, and the Chicago gangs started to use automatic weapons. Then public demand led to laws against them.
     
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    The question, of course: What regulation(s) will actually address the issue, and will they survive the ensuing legal challenges?
    Hint: Banning 'assault weapons' is a dead-end path.
     
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    Hillary likes NRA money as well.
     
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    If one illegal kills someone isn’t that enough? Hey, I’m just using the same anti 2A rational. If every legal responsible gun owner needs to suffer for the acts of the few than every illegal alien needs to suffer the acts of the few.
     
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    I don't think that it's as much "NRA Money" that influences law makers to reject gun control measures as it is the fact that 2nd Amendment supporters get out and vote regardless of the weather, inconvenience or indifference.
    Additionally, I think that many, if not most, gun owners are "Single Issue Voters" for whom other issues are secondary to defending a vital part of the Constitution.
    Finally, I feel that violent video games are bound to desensitize impressionable young minds to killing large numbers of people in real life.
    In the current flurry of demands to "Do Something", the first "Something" that deserves our attention is how are children's minds affected by killing scores of other people in the virtual world of violent video games.
     
  25. JakeStarkey

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    Pred has a point, for a change, imo.
     

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